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Before comparing Thorsen, Therme and Camosun; note that Thorsen (Men's) and Camosun (Men's) remain discontinued in FW23.
The Therme line, on the other hand, is expanded and now contains 3 products: Therme SV Parka (Men's), Therme Parka (Men's) and Therme Insulated Jacket (Men's).
These updates also make the Therme SV Parka the warmest Arc'teryx parka of all time, superseding the Thorsen Parka, which is slightly less warm than Therme SV.
So if you're not interested in getting one of the discontinued products, and would like to get one of the Therme's instead, then stop reading this post and visit this article: https://outdoorcrunch.com/arcteryx-therme-review/. Also make sure to take a look at Therme SV Parka vs Therme Parka vs Therme Insulated Jacket page at arcteryx.com.
Also try out Arc'teryx's Jacket Finder tool.
- Arc'teryx Jacket Finder: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/jacket-finder
Now let's get back to Thorsen vs Therme vs Camosun.
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- 2 Nov 2022: Beta Insulated Jacket: Pit zips AND two way zipper!
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- #A sidenote here: Arc'teryx's PDF guide to jackets is GOOOLLLLDDDDD. Absolutely check that out too if you're interested in buying one.
All these jackets are designed for walking around town when it's freezing out (so called "line 24").
In summary, if the subject temperature range is mostly going to be somewhere between 0 - 30 deg F (-18 - 0 deg C), then both Therme and Camosun would be warm enough. Maybe also consider getting a good Arc'teryx base layer such as this one for more inclement days.
You'd probably overheat inside the Therme SV and Thorsen at these temperature ranges. So I'd consider them for lower ranges - around 15 deg F (-10 deg C) and below.
Check out their temperature ratings below.
Therme Insulated Jacket isn't a parka, so I'm not going to review it in this post. Let me say this one thing about it, though: I can't think of any scenario where a Therme Insulated Jacket would be my primary recommendation. Because there are tons of much better Arc'teryx jackets at that warmth level - which is a very, very low level. No down and only 40 gsm of Coreloft insulation...
All of these jackets use the same 750 fill power European goose down, which is pretty high quality. 750 - 900 FP is usually considered the highest quality of down.
- Read more about this in here: https://outdoorcrunch.com/jackets/
However, although the quality of down is the same between these jackets, the amount of it varies. And amount is just as important as the quality.
Check out the chart below for more information on this. Simply pick "Parkas" in the "Type" filter dropdown menu.
|Name||Est. Temp (F/C)||Review||Pit venting?||Stuffs into itself?||Two way zipper?||Type||Fill Power||Fill Weight (grams)||Fill Volume (FP x FW)||Synthetic Insulator (SI)||SI Amount||Face Fabric||Activity||Fit||Weight||Length (CB)|
|Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's)||-18/-28||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||296||251,600||Coreloft||90 g/m²||N30r 2L GoreTex Infinium||Climbing||Regular||805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Feathered Friends Khumbu||-17/-27||No||Yes||No||Down||900||378||340,200||Primaloft Gold||200 g||Pretex Shield XT||All Round||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's)||-15/-26||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||240||204,000||Coreloft||?||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||300||240,000||N/A||N/A||30D Drilite||All Round||Regular||820 g / 1 lb 13 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Rab Positron Pro (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||300||240,000||N/A||N/A||40D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||740 g / 1 lb 10 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's)||-11/-24||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||211||158,250||Coreloft||60 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.072 kg / 2 lb 5.8 oz||96 cm / 37.75 in|
|Patagonia Grade VII (Men's)||-11/-24||No||No||Yes||Down||800||335||268,000||N/A||N/A||1.2 oz 15 & 20D Perfex Quantum||Around Town||Regular||743 g / 1 lb 10.1 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's)||-10/-23||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||225||180,000||N/A||N/A||Arato 7 & 10||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's)||-10/-23||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||265||212,000||N/A||N/A||Nylon||All Round||Regular||770 g / 1 lb 11.2 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's)||-7/-22||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||192||144,000||Coreloft||60 g/m²||90D 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 5.4 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's)||-6/-21||Review||No||No||No||Parka||700||268||187,600||N/A||N/A||4 oz 75-denier polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.253 kg / 2 lb 12.2 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's)||-5/-20||No||No||Yes||Down||700||295||206,500||N/A||N/A||50D Drilite||All Round||Regular||822 g / 1 lb 13 oz||72 cm / 28 in|
|Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's)||-2/-19||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||74||55,500||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 6.8 oz||117.5 cm / 46.25 in|
|Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's)||-2/-19||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||212||169,600||N/A||N/A||20D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 8.6 oz||77 cm / 30.3 in|
|Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermaTek||92 g/m²||30D Nylon||Around Town||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 9 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||157||117,750||Coreloft||60 g/m²||N90p Nylon||Around Town||Regular||885 g / 1 lb 15.2 oz||95 cm / 37.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||No||Parka||750||105||78,750||Coreloft||140 g/m²||N150p-X Gore-Tex||Around Town||Trim||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||162||137,700||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 7 & 10||All Round||Regular||415 g / 14.6 oz||69.5 cm / 27.4 in|
|Arc'teryx Revet (Men's)||2/-17||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||?||N/A||N/A||20d nylon/spandex double weave||Around Town||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||750||218||163,500||N/A||N/A||Arato 10||Around Town||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||82 cm / 32.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||90 + 65 g/m²||N80p-X Gore-Tex 2L||All Round||Regular||890 g / 1 lb 15.4 oz||81 cm / 31.8 in|
|Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||117||99,450||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Hadron 2L Gore-Tex Infinium||Climbing||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||?|
|Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||No||No||Yes||Down||800||182||145,600||N/A||N/A||30D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||825 g / 1 lb 13.1 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 120 g/m²||N90p 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.015 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz||123 cm / 48.5 in|
|Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||No||Parka||700||118||82,600||N/A||N/A||5.5 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.307 kg / 2 lb 14.1 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||745 g / 1 lb 10.3 oz||82 cm / 32.25 in|
|Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||180||144,000||N/A||N/A||20D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||525 g / 1 lb 2.5 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||120||90,000||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||P75d Polyester||Around Town||Regular||991 g / 2 lb 3 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Macai (Men's)||5/-15||Review||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||750||69||51,750||Coreloft Compact||60 + 100 g/m²||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 4 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||180 g/m2 + 90 g/m2||Arato 15||Climbing||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||81 cm / 31.8 in|
|Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco||133 + 40 g||Pertex Quantum Pro||Around Town||Regular||555 g / 1lb 3.6 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Arc'teryx Patera (Women's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||58||43,500||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Trim||867 g / 1 lb 14.6 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
|Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||Yes||Down||700||155||108,500||N/A||N/A||30D ripstop nylon||All Round||Regular||442 g / 15.6 oz||76 cm / 29.75 in|
|Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's)||7/-14||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||140 g/m²||N70p Gore Thermium||All Round||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's)||7/-14||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||92||69,000||N/A||N/A||Nylon||Around Town||Regular||794 g / 1 lb 12 oz||117 cm / 46.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's)||7/-14||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||715 g / 1 lb 9.2 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in|
|Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||No||Down||700||153||107,100||N/A||N/A||30D Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||466 g / 1 lb 0.5 oz||72 cm / 28.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||750||140||105,000||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Feathered Friends Eos||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||900||105||94,500||N/A||N/A||Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||306 g / 10.8 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||750||130||97,500||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||490 g / 1 lb 1.3 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||135 + 90 g||10D Recycled nylon ripstop||All Round||Regular||435 g / 15.3 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's)||8/-13||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||750||49||36,750||Coreloft Compact||60 g/m²||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's)||8/-13||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||92||69,000||N/A||N/A||Arato 10||Around Town||Regular||507 g / 1 lb. 1.9 oz.||87 cm / 34.4 in|
|Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||800||128||102,400||N/A||N/A||20D Nylon||All Round||Regular||632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Koda (Men's)||8/-13||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||N80p-X Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's)||10/-12||Review||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermoLite||100 g||65% nylon, 35% polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.360 kg / 3 lb||90 cm / 35.5 in|
|Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||No||Yes||No||Parka||700||191||133,700||N/A||N/A||4.2 oz polyester||All Round||Regular||468 g / 16.5 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||700||141||98,700||N/A||N/A||3.6 oz 50D polyester||Around Town||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's)||14/-10||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Relaxed||785 g / 1 lb 11.7 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||600||177||106,200||N/A||N/A||1.4 oz 30D polyester||All Round||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||No||Yes||No||Down||850||120||102,000||N/A||N/A||Pertex mini ripstop nylon||All Round||Regular||340 g / 13.75 oz||74 cm / 29.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||16/-9||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g/m² + 120 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||120 g/m2 + 80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2||30D Tyono||All Round||Regular||475 g / 1 lb||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||No||No||No||Down||600||279||167,400||N/A||N/A||4.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.014 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's)||19/-7||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g||N60p Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||690 g / 1 lb 8.3 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||850||117||99,450||N/A||N/A||Arato||All Round||Regular||365 g / 12.9 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||800||100||80,000||N/A||N/A||0.8 oz 10D polyester||All Round||Slim||270 g / 9.5 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Review||Yes, zips||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||80 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||78.5 cm / 31 in|
|Patagonia Topley (Men's)||23/-5||No||No||Yes||Down||700||172||120,400||N/A||N/A||6 oz polyester||All Round||Regular||1.133 kg / 2 lb 8 oz||77 cm / 30.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||65 g/m²||N40p-X 2L Gore-Tex||Climbing||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in|
|Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Silver||60 g||30D Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||385 g / 13.6 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||800||150||120,000||N/A||N/A||1.4 oz 20x30D polyester||All Round||Regular||428 g / 15.1 oz||67 cm / 26.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's)||25/-4||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||735 g / 1 lb 9.9 oz||?|
|Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Down||700||109||76,300||N/A||N/A||2.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 4.7 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||No||Yes||No||Down||850||113||96,050||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||Arato 15||All Round||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz||?|
|Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||No||Yes||No||Down||800||85||68,000||N/A||N/A||10D Ripstop Nylon||All Round||Trim||250 g / 8.8 oz||70 cm / 27.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||102||86,700||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||Arato 10||All Round||Trim||305 g / 10.8 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's)||32/0||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||65 g/m²||Arato 10r||Climbing||Trim||325 g / 11.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's)||34/1||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||65 g||0.8-oz 10-denier Pertex Quantum Pro||Climbing||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz||77 cm / 30.5 in|
|Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||65 g||Pertex Quantum||All Round||Trim||298 g / 10.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia Isthmus (Men's)||36/2||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermoGreen||60 g||4.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||895 g / 1 lb 15.6 oz||70 cm / 27.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2||Fortius Air 20||Climbing||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz||75 cm / 29.4 in|
|Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco||60 g||22D Polyester||All Round||Regular||363 g / 12.8 oz||71.5 cm / 28 in|
|Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's)||39/4||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Gore-Tex ShakeDry||Running||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's)||41/5||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||FullRange||60 g||33D Nylon ripstop||All Round||Trim||318 g / 11.2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||60 g/m²||20D Tyono||All Round||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||58||49,300||Coreloft||40 + 100 g/m²||Arato 7||All Round||Trim||215 g / 7.6 oz||69 cm / 27.2 in|
|Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||46/8||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Fortius™ Air 50||All Round||Trim||365 g / 12.9 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's)||48/9||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Octa Loft||94 g/m²||Fortius Air 20||Climbing||Trim||323 g / 11.4 oz||77 cm / 30.4 in|
|Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's)||52/11||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||20D Tyono||All Round||Trim||245 g / 8.6 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||850||?||N/A||N/A||40D + 80D||All Round||Regular||900 g / 1 lb 15.75 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||40D 3L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Oversized||645 g / 1 lb 6.8 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
|Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||40D 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||460 g / 1 lb 0.2 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
View full table at https://outdoorcrunch.com/best-arcteryx-jacket/.
If you're confused now and don't know which jacket best corresponds to your own needs, then follow the advice given in https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/jacket-finder/.
The temperature ratings in this list are intended to represent the lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold.
Keep in mind that these are only approximate values, assuming:
- worn over a shirt only and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with light wind,
- and when it's dry out.
These values applicable to your torso only. Your hands, legs and feet are still subject to their own additional insulation.
The best practice is usually to use this table for comparing each jacket to one another, rather than pinpointing their ratings.
Also, ratings will best respond to males. As most women tend to run colder than men, for women, shifting these ratings a bit is recommended.
Always opt for the warmer option when in doubt. For jackets with Atom AR level warmth and beyond, recommended is almost always the hooded models.
- Also see: Arc'teryx Shells
|Name||Bottom line||Activity||Review||Breathability||Weather Res.||Durability||Packability||Temp (F/C)||Pit zips?||Two way zipper?||Stuffs into itself?||Hood?||Face Fabric||Fit||Weight||Length||Measurements|
|Alpha FL (Men's - Women's)||Climbing||4/10||5/10||6/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||Hadron 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||209 g / 7.4 oz||76.5 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpha SL (Men's - Women's)||Climbing||3/10||4/10||6/10||9/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||N40p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||326 g / 11.5 oz||77.5 cm / 30.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpha AR (Men's - Women's)||Go-to climbing harshell.||Climbing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40d & N80d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||430 g / 15.2 oz||79.5 cm / 31.25 in||[Men's]|
|Alpha SV (Men's - Women's)||Strongest climbing hardshell.||Climbing||Review||8/10||10/10||10/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N100d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||510 g / 1 lb 2 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's]|
|Alpha IS (Men's)||Climbing||7/10||5/10||5/10||8/10||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||StormHood||N40p-X 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in|
|Beta (Men's - Women's)||All Round||5/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N30p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||300 g / 10.6 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta Long (Men's)||All Round||Review||5/10||8/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||441 g / 15.6 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Beta Coat (Women's)||All Round||7/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||Yes||No||StormHood||3L Gore-Tex||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz||?||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta LT Hadron (Men's - Women's)||All Round||5/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Hadron 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||255g / 9 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta LT (Men's - Women's)||Beta AR alternative.||All Round||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40d 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||395 g / 13.9 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||Best insulated shell.||All Round||10/10||4/10||4/10||2/10||21/-6||Yes||Yes||No||StormHood||N40d 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||78.5 cm / 31 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||Beta Insulated alternative.||All Round||7/10||4/10||4/10||2/10||16/-9||No||Yes||No||StormHood||N40d 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta AR (Men's - Women's)||Go-to all-round harshell.||All Round||Review||8/10||8/10||8/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40r-X & N80p-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||460 g / 1 lb||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta SV (Men's - Women's)||Strongest all-round harshell.||All Round||Review||8/10||10/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||495 g / 1 lb 1.5 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpine Guide (Men's - Women's)||All Round||8/10||10/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80d-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||480g / 1 lb 0.9 oz||?||[Men's]|
|Gamma SL (Men's - Women's)||A trimmer Gamma LT.||All Round||Review||7/10||2/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Fortius 1.0||Trim||310 g / 10.9 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Gamma LT (Men's)||A fleeceless, trimmer Gamma MX.||All Round||Review||7/10||3/10||7/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Wee Burly||Regular||545 g / 1 lb 3.2 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Gamma MX (Men's - Women's)||A softshell with a fleece.||All Round||Review||6/10||4/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Fortius 2.0||Regular||555 g / 1 lb 3.6 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Rush (Men's - Women's)||Go-to ski jacket.||Skiing||Review||8/10||9/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X & N100p-X 3L Most Rugged Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||590 g / 1 lb 4.8 oz||79.5 cm / 31.25 in||[Men's]|
|Sabre (Men's)||Alternative to Rush.||Skiing||8/10||8/10||8/10||2/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 8.9 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Sentinel (Women's)||Skiing||8/10||8/10||8/10||2/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||370 g / 13.1 oz||?|
|Macai (Men's)||Go-to insulated ski jacket.||Skiing||Review||10/10||8/10||9/10||1/10||5/-15||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 3.3 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Macai LT (Men's)||A lighter Macai with StormHood.||Skiing||8/10||7/10||8/10||1/10||8/-13||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz||?||[Men's]|
|Andessa (Women's)||Go-to insulated ski jacket.||Skiing||10/10||Testing||Testing||1/10||8/-13||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40d 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||869 g / 1 lb 14.7 oz||?|
|Andessa Shell (Women's)||Non-insulated Andessa.||Skiing||5/10||Testing||Testing||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||560 g / 1 lb 3.8 oz||?|
|Theriss Down (Women's)||Skiing||8/10||6/10||7/10||2/10||Testing||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||709 g / 1 lb 9 oz||?|
|Rush IS (Women's)||An insulated Rush.||Skiing||5/10||Testing||Testing||9/10||16/-9||No||No||Yes||StormHood||Gore-Tex Infinium||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||?|
|Sentinel IS (Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||21/-6||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?||[Women's]|
|Ski Guide (Men's - Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N80d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||570 g / 1 lb 4.1 oz||?|
|Micon Heather||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||NP100-d 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||685 g / 1 lb 8.2 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in||[Men's]|
|Micon (Men's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||685 g / 1 lb 8.2 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in||[Men's]|
|Cassiar (Men's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||820 g / 1 lb 12.9 oz||74.5 cm / 29.3 in||[Women's]|
|Cassiar LT (Men's)||Skiing||Review||6/10||6/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||605 g / 1 lb 5.3 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in||[Women's]|
|Ravenna (Women's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70s-4 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||725 g / 1 lb 9.6 oz||69.5 cm / 27.4 in||[Men's]|
|Ravenna LT (Women's)||Skiing||Review||6/10||6/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||69 cm / 27.2 in||[Men's]|
|Procline (Men's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Women's]|
|Shashka Stretch (Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||670 g / 1 lb 7.6 oz||71 cm / 28 in||[Women's]|
|Sabre AR (Men's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||7/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||700 g / 1 lb 8.7 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Men's]|
|Sentinel AR (Women's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||7/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||590 g / 1 lb 4.8 oz||72.5 cm / 28.5 in||[Women's]|
|Sabre LT (Men's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||8/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||660 g / 1 lb 7.3 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Sentinel LT (Women's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||8/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||565 g / 1 lb 3.9 oz||73.5 cm / 29 in|
|Incendia (Women's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||9/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||NP100d 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Women's]|
|Indencia IS||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||?||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Norvan LT (Men's - Women's)||Go-to running jacket.||Running||5/10||5/10||8/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||N13p 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||190 g / 6.7 oz||?||[Women's]|
|Squamish (Men's - Women's)||Trimmer, lighter, packable running jacket.||Running||Review||5/10||4/10||7/10||9/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||30D Tyono||Trim||140 g / 4.9 oz||77.5 cm / 30.5 in||[Women's]|
|Norvan SL Ins. (Women's)||Running||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||39/4||No||No||Yes||Standard||Gore-Tex ShakeDry||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in||[Women's]|
|Cita (Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Lumin||Trim||120 g / 4.2 oz||67.5 cm / 26.5 in||[Men's]|
|Cita SL (Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||4/10||10/10||N/A||Yes||No||Yes||Standard||Permeair 20||Trim||65 g / 2.3 oz||61.5 cm / 24.2 in||[Men's]|
|Incendo (Men's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Lumin||Trim||125 g / 4.4 oz||?|
|Incendo SL (Men's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||4/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Permair 20 & Canim||Trim||80 g / 2.8 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Norvan SL (Men's - Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||6/10||8/10||8/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||120 g / 4.2 oz||77 cm / 30.4 in||[Women's]|
|Trino SL (Men's)||Running||Review||8/10||5/10||7/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||340 g / 12 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Trino SL Anorak (Women's)||Running||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||7/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||290 g / 10.2 oz||65 cm / 25.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Nodin (Men's - Women's)||Running||8/10||5/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||20D Tyono||Trim||155 g / 5.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Solano (Men's - Women's)||Around Town||Review||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Relaxed||355 g / 12.5 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Venda Anorak (Women's)||Around Town||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex||Relaxed||255 g / 9 oz||75.5 cm / 29.7 in|
|Zeta FL (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||4/10||6/10||4/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N20r 2L Gore-Tex||Trim||221 g / 7.8 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Zeta SL (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||Review||3/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||2L Gore-Tex||Trim||310 g / 10.9 oz||77.8 cm / 30.6 in||[Men's]|
|Zeta LT (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||5/10||7/10||8/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N40P-X 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's]|
|Zeta AR (Men's)||Hiking||7/10||8/10||7/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||3L Gore-Tex||Regular||425 g / 15 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
Also the hood and neck gasket weren't insulated.
Just letting you know.
So what should you consider when getting either one of these jackets?
If the lowest temperature you'll face won't be much colder than 15 deg F (-10 deg C)
In other words, if you'll be in Milwaukee, Toronto, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Boston, NYC, or any other similar temperature range city; then both Therme and Camosun would feel warm enough for around 90% of the winter.
For the remainder of the winter, you can easily use another simple fleece underneath either of these jackets. And I don't mean something high-quality like Arc'teryx either, even a t-shirt + hoody combo would work.
Therme vs Camosun: Warmth
The difference is minimal, but not non-existent. If you feel fairly cold inside a Camosun, I'd doubt Therme would solve your warmth problems in the same setting. But still, there are things you'd better consider.
I put together the things you should consider regarding the warmth differences between these two jackets under 3 main subheadings.
Compared to Therme, the Camosun is going to be more restrictive when you're trying to layer due to its trimmer fit. It might feel less comfortable if you try layering with a bulky synthetic insulated jacket beneath, such as Atom AR (Men's - read review).
Part of the extra down in Therme (120 vs 105 grams) you see in the product specs results from Therme's 1.5 inch longer hemline. It naturally requires more down. It'll cover a larger portion of your hips - which can be especially important if you don't have or aren't planning to get insulated pants.
Also, even when you ignore the Therme's extra hem length, it still uses a little bit more down than the Camosun - hence a bit more warmth.
3- Traps more air
Baggier cut doesn't necessarily mean that it'll provide more insulation than a more snug cut in every situation. It's contextual and depends on many factors such as how baggy or snug the jackets are, their fill quality (fill power), lengths etc.
But in our case, Therme isn't too baggy to let the air circulate too much and hence let the cold air in. It doesn't use a lower quality fill either.
So, since more insulation is always achieved by trapping more "heated" air, in the end, Therme provides a bit more warmth.
As you see, the warmth difference is there, but it isn't as big to make you pretty much ignore other stuff. I'd pay at least as much attention to style, hood and personal layering needs.
I'd recommend you to check out my Therme Parka review as well.
- Arc'teryx Jacket Finder: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/jacket-finder
Therme vs Camosun: Weather Resistance
With the FW23 update, Camosun is now equipped with more synthetic insulation, which in the end provides more weather resistance.
Not only does it provide more weather resistance, but it also provides more warmth under foul weather. Another thing you might want to take into consideration.
Also; Thorsen offers a 90D, Therme Parka a 75D and Camosun a whooping 150D outer shell fabric.
This means that the Camosun will feel burliest and Therme the smoothest in your hands. But most importantly, all of them are very durable and abrasion resistant, with the Camosun being the highest in this regard. It might (will), however, come overkill for most of us average users.
Its whooping 150 denier face fabric is also extremely robust and one of the thickest parka shells out there. It's comically strong. If you're unaware of deniers, 150 denier is something like you would double check when you see it somewhere because you think that you must have misread something. It's that unusual.
This, however, does have its downsides; with the most important one being the noise the Camosun makes because of its burly face fabric. Dealbreaker for some people.
Lastly, all these jackets are DWR coated - which means that they repel water just fine.
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
Therme vs Camosun: Style
If you're fit or thin, Camosun's trimmer cut might look better on you.
Baggier cut of Therme benefits you in warmth, as I explained earlier in this post, and this is how the baggier cut looks:
Proceed at your own taste...
Therme vs Camosun: Hood and collar configurations
Camosun's hood is detachable (separate hood) and that of Therme's isn't (integrated hood). This difference in hood construction naturally causes their collar configurations to differ as well.
Camosun offers DropHood and Therme offers StormHood. The former is considered the most comfortable when the hood is down, and the latter is more comfortable when the hood is up. Only you can decide which one you like. Read more about DropHood vs StormHood in this article: https://outdoorcrunch.com/stormhood-vs-drophood/
Camosun's collar is always up, whereas for the Therme the hood should be in use for collar to be standing up straight.
Higher collar is typically expected to block more wind, and I'm not saying this is incorrect. But even when the Therme's hood isn't in use (e.g collar isn't standing), you can still zip it upwards and raise it to a position that's as high as that of the Camosun's:
Still, in the end, it won't feel as comfortable as the Camosun's collar. This is why they're both equally great in terms of blocking wind when the hood isn't in use, but Camosun is more comfortable.
On the other hand, when you need more wind protection, Therme's collar will reach up higher when the hood is in use.
Two way zipper
Camosun doesn't offer a two way front main zipper. This can something to think about if you're planning to drive with your coat on, since a two way zipper helps a lot in that case.
Thorsen Parka, Therme SV Parka and Therme Parka all offer a two way zipper, by the way. It also helps with breathability. Its only downside is that it tends to break down more easily than one way zippers.
Camosun is a bit shorter than Therme, much shorter than Therme SV and Thorsen. I believe the length to be one of the primary parameters of the feeling of warmth, so this is a minus for the Camosun's warmth.
Now enter my friends Therme SV and Thorsen - and let's get to their reviews.
It's important to note that both of these parkas would probably come too warm for the above temperature range and setup. Vast majority of people would likely overheat in it (unless they run quite cold). Because it's designed for freezing temperatures.
...so if you'll be facing a considerable amount of colder days
Say, if you'll be facing as low as -5 deg F (-20 deg C) and below, then I'd recommend getting either:
- Therme or Camosun (but probably Therme - read below paragraph) AND a good fleece under (such as this one of Arc'teryx) for extra layering (Therme and Camosun alone probably wouldn't be enough to keep you very warm at this cold),
- The Therme SV or Thorsen (this color is really liked by many - including me).
If you choose to go with option #1, again, it's good to note that Camosun is going to be more restrictive in this situation due to its trimmer fit. I'd probably get the Therme and reap the extra warmth benefits as well.
Although the temperature differences between the Therme and Camosun are minimal, this isn't the case for Therme SV and Thorsen. It's significantly warmer than both of these jackets.
For the vast majority of people, even if you layer Therme or Camosun with another synthetic insulated jacket (such as one of these) they still won't feel as warm as Therme SV or Thorsen all by themselves!
In short, if you want to maximize warmth; then Therme SV or Thorsen is the way to go for you.
But if you have more $$$ to spare, then layering would give you more versatility. Proceed with your personal needs and desires.
- Arc'teryx Jacket Finder: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/jacket-finder
If you're interested, here are the product videos:
I have been looking at buying an Arcteryx parka. The average low where I live is 0C but very windy and rainy. I tried on the Magnus and Therme. I think the Magnus has just a bit too little insulation but the the Therme may be overkill. Any thoughts on temperature ranges for the Therme?
Canberk Koksal says
That’s a good question Jason.
I think you meant to ask the temperature ranges for the Magnus though (instead of the Therme) because I already laid them out in this post.
I think Magnus would provide enough warmth for your condition. And like you already said yourself, Therme/Camosun would mostly be overkill – unless you run extremely cold which I’d highly doubt.
If you’re still worried whether Magnus would keep you warm enough or not, then maybe consider getting a good base layer such as this one for more inclement days.
Hope this helps 🙂
Very helpful! Thanks for the detailed comparison. I ended up ordering a Therme and look forward to wearing it.
Erick H says
Very good info. thanks.
I am still not sure which one to get… I live in Northern Manitoba, Canada and gets really COLD here. I used to have the North Face Himalayan and even though is super warm, it also is very puffy and I didn’t like that. I want warm but also functional for everyday activities. what is the better option?
I have never seen a pro review on Arcteryx’s products like this, impressive and many thanks! I am wondering what differences between old model 19717 and the latest one 28253 for Thorsen parka? Appreciate!