Compared to my other articles on Arc'teryx and Patagonia jackets, this comparison is relatively easier to get out of. Because they differ clearly in this one manner:
How you're planning to use the jacket.
So I'd recommend you to move forward considering this:
If you're looking for a warm jacket to put on out in the town when it's freezing (below 20 deg F's), get the AR (because the LT won't cut it). For a physically active use, get the LT as it's significantly more breathable and comfortable.
You can also see this on Arc'teryx's own Naming Scheme Page here, for both Atom AR and the LT.
- October 2022: DropHood vs StormHood: Pros/cons and best uses
- September 2022: Reviewing Arc'teryx Fall Winter 22/23 Gear
- August 2022: 5 things all Arc'teryx newbies should know
- July 2022: Explained, compared & plotted: CLO values of insulated jackets
- #A sidenote here: Arcteryx.com's PDF guide to their jackets is GOOOLLDDD. Highly recommend you to check it out before you buy.
They're given a dope-dyed liner, a new construction on the cuff and are now 1" (2.5 cm) longer.
But these updates pretty much don't cause any differences in practice. Which means that you can apply the information given in this post to previous revisions of these jackets.
All the differences between these jackets can simply be listed as follows:
- LT is more breathable, lighter and more comfortable
- AR is much warmer and more weather resistant
We'll get to the details and determine how MUCH one is better than the other in terms of each and every one of these differences - but you should know that for most of you the answer to it wouldn't be that important.
Because, like I said, it's like comparing apples and oranges. The purpose of these jackets are different, and this should be your main focus. Keep that in mind as you read on.
- Some of the Arc pieces you see in this post might be discontinued, and hence might be unavailable at arcteryx.com.
- If that's the case, then I'd recommend you to check out this page at REI. You might be able to find them there.
|Name||Est. Temp (F/C)||Insulation||Review|
|Arc'teryx Alpha Parka (Men's - Women's)||-17/-27||Down||Down||No||M|
|Feathered Friends Khumbu (Men's)||-17/-27||Down||Down||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's)||-15/-26||Down||Down||Review||Yes||M|
|Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's - Women's)||-13/-25||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Positron Pro (Men's - Women's)||-13/-25||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia Grade VII (Men's)||-11/-24||Down||Down||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's)||-10/-23||Down||Down||Review||Yes||M W|
|Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's)||-10/-23||Down||Down||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's)||-7/-22||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M|
|Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's)||-6/-21||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's)||-5/-20||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||W|
|Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's)||-2/-19||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Therme (Men's)||-2/-19||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's)||0/-18||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||Yes||M|
|Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's)||0/-18||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's)||2/-17||Down||ParkaD||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M|
|Outdoor Research Super Alpine (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Radsten (Men's)||3/-16||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Macai (Men's||5/-15||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei SV Parka (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M W|
|Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Patera (Women's)||5/-15||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||W|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Down||Down||Review||Yes||M W|
|Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||Yes||M|
|Arc'teryx Prema (Women's)||7/-14||Down||ParkaD||No||W|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated Men's)||7/-14||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Feathered Friends Eos (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's)||8/-13||Down||Down||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's)||8/-13||Down||ParkaD||No||W|
|Arc'teryx Koda (Men's)||8/-13||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Kole (Men's - Women's)||10/-12||Down||ParkaD||No||W|
|Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's)||10/-12||Synthetic||ParkaS||Review||No||W|
|Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Synthetic||Synthetic||Yes||M|
|Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Down||ParkaD||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's)||14/-10||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||W|
|Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's )||14/-10||Down||Down||Review||No||M|
|REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's)||19/-7||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's)||19/-7||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Patagonia Topley (Men's)||23/-5||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M W|
|Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisp/2 (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's)||32/0||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's)||32/0||Down||ParkaD||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Patagonia Isthmus (Men's||36/2||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's)||39/4||Synthetic||Synthetic||Yes||M W|
|Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's)||41/5||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Down||Down||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's - Women's)||48/9||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||No||M W|
|Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's)||52/11||Synthetic||Synthetic||Review||Yes||M W|
|The North Face Summit Down (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Mountain Equipment Lightline Echo (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Mountain Equipment Kryos (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Mountain Equipment Xeros (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Arc'teryx Andra LT IS (Women's)||Testing||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||W|
|Arc'teryx Phoria IS (Women's)||Testing||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||W|
|Feathered Friends Helios (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Feathered Friends Volant (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Axion Pro (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Feathered Friends Rock & Ice (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Valiance (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M W|
|Rab Expedition 8000 (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Zero G (Men's)||Testing||Down||Down||No||M|
|Rab Generator Alpine (Men's)||Testing||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M|
|UBR Regulator Parka II (Men's)||Testing||Synthetic||ParkaS||No||M|
|Helly Hansen LifaLoft (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M|
|Mammut Eigerjoch (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M W|
|Helly Hansen Lumines (Men's - Women's)||Unknown||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M|
|Haglofs V Series Mimic (Men's - Women's)||Unknown||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M W|
|Black Diamond First Light (Men's - Women's)||Unknown||Synthetic||Synthetic||No||M W|
If you're confused now and don't know which jacket best corresponds to your own needs, then follow the advice given below:
The temperature ratings in this list represent the lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold.
Keep in mind that these are only approximate values, assuming:
- worn over a shirt only and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with light wind,
- and when it's dry out.
These values applicable to your torso only. Your hands, legs and feet are still subject to their own additional insulation.
The best practice is usually to use this table for comparing each jacket to one another, rather than pinpointing their ratings.
Also, ratings will best respond to males. As most women tend to run colder than men, for women, shifting these ratings a bit is recommended.
Lastly, always opt for the warmer option when in doubt.
I've also put this post together to compare and rate all the popular synthetic insulated jackets, including the two in this post (as well as the Proton LT I mentioned).
So if you're interested to see how well these two jackets scored in the warmth, comfort, weather & abrasion resistance, breathability and style departments; you might want to check that out as well.
Let's get to it!
I'm not going to explain the Coreloft insulation in detail because both jackets are equipped with it. I'll try to keep this post within the context of differences between these products.
Check this thread out if you're curious about Coreloft's technical properties and how it compares to the other insulators.
First of all, the AR does NOT have twice the insulator amount of LT.
AR is insulated with:
- 120 g/m2 of Coreloft around the torso: This is the only region AR doubles the insulator amount of LT.
- 80 g/m2 of Coreloft under the arms: They're mostly compressed anyway. Investing less insulator here not only decreases the price but also increases mobility.
- 60 g/m2 of Coreloft for the hood.
LT, on the other hand, is insulated with 60 g/m2 of Coreloft everywhere.
This makes up one of the biggest differences between the two models:
AR is significantly warmer compared to LT. If you're truly active inside the AR, you might even overheat.
Now, although it's quite difficult to pinpoint the warmth differences between these two jackets, let me do my best and at least try to give you an idea:
Generally speaking, with only a long sleeved shirt under and without a shell on top, for an average person, during daily use (strolls, power walks, etc) and with enough wind to cause an umbrella to twist in your hand:
...without feeling uncomfortably cold, the lowest temperature to wear an Atom LT would be 36 deg F (2 deg C), and Atom AR around 18 deg F (-8 deg C).
With at least a moderate quality layering:
...Atom LT would be at 25 deg F (-4 deg C), and AR at 7 deg F (-14 deg C).
With a good base layer under and a shell jacket on top:
...Atom LT would be at 10 deg F (-10 deg C), and AR at -4 deg F (-20 deg C).
Note that AR can even come too warm when you near 40 F's.
Maybe this entire thing can be oversimplified into this:
If you're looking for a warm jacket to put on out in the town when it's freezing with shitty wind, do not get an LT! You'll probably feel too cold inside it!
Wind & Water Resistance
Although side fleece panels of LT make it much more breathable, it sacrifices wind resistance significantly.
Although both these jackets are marketed as mid layers (meaning you need an extra layer over them), with the AR, you won't need a shell unless there's heavy rain.
With the LT, though, you probably will.
Speaking of rain, both jackets come with DWR coating at the top - although they're mid layers.
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
So the winner is AR by far.
Until this point, I've repeated it many times, but for the sake of consistency let me say it one more time:
LT is much more breathable than AR due to its side fleece panels.
This is also what causes AR to overheat much easier compared to LT.
If you're active, OR it's nearing 30 F's out, AR probably will start feeling too warm, even if it isn't layered with anything else.
That said, LT still isn't the BEST in terms of breathability.
I don't want to confuse you even further, but note that in our post Patagonia Nano Air vs Arcteryx Atom LT, we found that the Air is actually more breathable - although less weather resistant and more, ugh, "frumpy" looking.
Fit and Comfort
First of all, LT comes with a trim fit and AR with a regular fit. If you have an athletic build, LT would probably look very good on you. AR, on the other hand, is more "bulky".
If you'd like to see some numbers:
Atom LT Hoody (Medium)
- Chest: 117.5 cm
- Waist: 109.5 cm
- Back Length: 74 cm
- Sleeve Length: 91.5 cm
Atom AR Hoody (Medium)
- Chest: 120.5 cm
- Waist: 112.5 cm
- Back Length: 74 cm
- Sleeve Length: 91 cm
Note: The small sizes are roughly 5 cm smaller in the chest and waist.
This is how Trim and Regular Fits are illustrated by Arcteryx:
Another thing about fit is that AR is thicker and more puffy going outwards:
That said, the "puffiness" difference isn't big enough to cause a difference when you're trying to layer a shell on top.
At 0.9 lbs (415 grams), LT is only 0.1 lbs lighter compared to AR's 1 lb (470 grams) of weight.
If you'll be wearing the jacket out in the town only, this won't be a noticeable difference.
However, for activities that require physical strength and endurance, this difference will make a difference for most of us.
You can use LT pretty much doing any outdoor activity, such as:
- Surfing (kidding).
You name it.
*Biking & rocking LT's.
On the other hand, AR would be too warm and uncomfortable for all of these activities. It'd be more suitable for casual, frigid weather outgoings, though.
So I don't thing we can say one is more versatile than the other, since one can't replace the other's work. Just choose according to your own needs and desires.
So... in short:
Trekitt's reviews on these jackets also worth checking out: