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Down Sweater is revised for FW23, and the information given in this article is only applicable to this most recent version.
The main highlight in this revision is in the fill weight - it's increased from 104 to 150 grams. A pretty big difference. Number of internal drop-in pockets has also been increased from 1 to 2.
If you're stuck between getting either a Down Sweater or a Nano Puff, then making up your mind should be rather easy. Because, the Down Sweater is a down jacket (duh), whereas the Nano Puff is a synthetic insulated jacket.
This means that these two are oriented towards completely different best uses.
Down Sweater is warmer than the Nano Puff (see temperature ratings below), but only consider it for dry areas, because under precipitation it won't only soak water but it'll also lose its insulating power.
Nano Puff, on the other hand, is more weather resistant, lighter and more packable than the Down Sweater.
- If you're not planning to perform high output activities with these jackets...
Then I'd absolutely get the Down Sweater for dry areas. A stunning jacket. For damp areas, Nano Puff would certainly be better than the Down Sweater, but even a better option would be the Micro Puff here. See Nano Puff vs Micro Puff article if you'd like to read more about this.
- If you're planning to perform high output activities less than, say, once every two weeks with these jackets...
Then I'd get the Nano Puff even if it offers mediocre breathability because it certainly is more suitable than the Down Sweater in this regard. It's also better than the Micro Puff since the face fabric of Micro Puff is extremely fragile, unlike Nano Puff's burly face fabric.
- If you're planning to perform high output activities more than, say, once every two weeks with these jackets...
Then forget about these jackets because none of them would cut it. Consider getting a DAS Light Hoody (Men's - Women's) or a Nano Air (Men's - Women's) instead.
- #A sidenote here: Patagonia.com's Web Specials discounts are GOOOLLLDDD. Highly recommend you to check it out before you buy.
- Nano Puff:
- Down Sweater:
- Micro Puff:
Check out the chart below for more information.
|Name||Est. Temp (F/C)||Review||Pit venting?||Stuffs into itself?||Two way zipper?||Type||Activity||Fit||Weight|
|Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's)||-18/-28||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||Climbing||Regular||805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz|
|Feathered Friends Khumbu||-17/-27||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's)||-15/-26||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz|
|Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||820 g / 1 lb 13 oz|
|Rab Positron Pro (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||740 g / 1 lb 10 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's)||-11/-24||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.072 kg / 2 lb 5.8 oz|
|Patagonia Grade VII (Men's)||-11/-24||No||No||Yes||Down||Around Town||Regular||743 g / 1 lb 10.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's)||-10/-23||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz|
|Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's)||-10/-23||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||770 g / 1 lb 11.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's)||-7/-22||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 5.4 oz|
|Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's)||-6/-21||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.253 kg / 2 lb 12.2 oz|
|Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's)||-5/-20||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||822 g / 1 lb 13 oz|
|Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's)||-2/-19||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 6.8 oz|
|Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's)||-2/-19||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 8.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||885 g / 1 lb 15.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Trim||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||415 g / 14.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Revet (Men's)||2/-17||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||890 g / 1 lb 15.4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Down||Climbing||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz|
|Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||825 g / 1 lb 13.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.015 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz|
|Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.307 kg / 2 lb 14.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||745 g / 1 lb 10.3 oz|
|Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||525 g / 1 lb 2.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||991 g / 2 lb 3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Macai (Men's)||5/-15||Review||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz|
|Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||555 g / 1lb 3.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Patera (Women's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Trim||867 g / 1 lb 14.6 oz|
|Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||442 g / 15.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's)||7/-14||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's)||7/-14||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||794 g / 1 lb 12 oz|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's)||7/-14||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||715 g / 1 lb 9.2 oz|
|Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||466 g / 1 lb 0.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz|
|Feathered Friends Eos||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||306 g / 10.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||490 g / 1 lb 1.3 oz|
|Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||435 g / 15.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's)||8/-13||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's)||8/-13||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||507 g / 1 lb. 1.9 oz.|
|Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Koda (Men's)||8/-13||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz|
|Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's)||10/-12||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.360 kg / 3 lb|
|Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||No||Yes||No||Parka||All Round||Regular||468 g / 16.5 oz|
|Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz|
|Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's)||14/-10||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Relaxed||785 g / 1 lb 11.7 oz|
|Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz|
|REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||340 g / 13.75 oz|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||16/-9||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||475 g / 1 lb|
|Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||No||No||No||Down||Around Town||Regular||1.014 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's)||19/-7||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||690 g / 1 lb 8.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||365 g / 12.9 oz|
|Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Slim||270 g / 9.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Review||Yes, zips||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz|
|Patagonia Topley (Men's)||23/-5||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||1.133 kg / 2 lb 8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz|
|Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||385 g / 13.6 oz|
|Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||428 g / 15.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's)||25/-4||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||735 g / 1 lb 9.9 oz|
|Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Down||Around Town||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 4.7 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz|
|Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||250 g / 8.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||305 g / 10.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's)||32/0||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||325 g / 11.5 oz|
|Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's)||34/1||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz|
|Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||298 g / 10.5 oz|
|Patagonia Isthmus (Men's)||36/2||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||895 g / 1 lb 15.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz|
|Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||363 g / 12.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's)||39/4||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||Running||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz|
|Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's)||41/5||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||318 g / 11.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||215 g / 7.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||46/8||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||365 g / 12.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's)||48/9||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||323 g / 11.4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's)||52/11||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||245 g / 8.6 oz|
|REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||All Round||Regular||900 g / 1 lb 15.75 oz|
|Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Oversized||645 g / 1 lb 6.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||460 g / 1 lb 0.2 oz|
These are the approximate lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold, assuming:
- you only have a shirt under and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with just a little bit wind,
- and in dry weather.
Read more about this chart here in my Insulated Outerwear Temperature Ratings Guide. Also my Best Patagonia Jackets post.
If you think you run warmer or colder than the average person, then shift temperature ranges accordingly.
Lastly - make sure to check out Patagonia.com Web Specials before you buy.
What about when it's rainy, humid, snowy, wet, and/or damp?
As I explained earlier, warmth of Down Sweater will suffer significantly when it gets wet.
The down inside the Down Sweater provides warmth by heating the air it had trapped among its vacant spots. When the down gets soaked, these spots are no longer as large (or even exist - depending on the liquid intensity).
This causes the Down Sweater to lose its insulating power.
The Nano Puff, on the other hand, provides warmth via synthetic insulation instead of down. It successfully mimics the heating capability of down, and on top of that, it doesn't lose its insulating power when it gets wet either, although it comes with its own disadvantages and downsides:
- The more often you stuff the Nano Puff into its own sack, the quicker it'll get old and in the long run (say, 3-4 years), it'll eventually lose its insulating power. The Down Sweater, on the other hand, can provide the very same warmth for decades.
If a fair amount of days are damp AND colder than 30 - 40 deg F's (0 - 5 deg C's) where you live, then Nano Puff wouldn't cut it. I'd recommend you to get something superior like the Arc'teryx's Fission SV. Or a Parka, such as Camosun, Therme or Thorsen.
Down Sweater is less water resistant than the Nano Puff because of the vulnerability of its down insulation.
Yes, both of these jackets are coated with DWR, which does help with preventing the rain drops from getting soaked into the internal surface of the Down Sweater, but doesn't help so much with its warmth.
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
So, once the fill of Down Sweater gets wet - its warmth will drop significantly and DWR doesn't change that dramatically.
They are, however, comparable in terms of wind resistance and both do a pretty good job in that manner.
Outer face of the Nano Puff (1.4-oz 20-denier for shell and 1.3-oz 22-denier for lining) is more robust than the Down Sweater (1.4-oz 20x30-denier in shell and 1.4-oz 20-denier in lining).
It still isn't anywhere near Arc'teryx's Atom AR as I laid out in this post, but I'd still classify it as a durable hoody.
These jackets aren't made using advanced breathable membranes, and they aren't equipped with pit zips (or mesh panels) either - so I'd recommend you to absolutely forget about getting these jackets if breathability is one of your expectations.
They aren't designed to breathe anyway and hence both are worse than average.
Down Sweater looks prettier to me. But I certainly get the hype around Micro and Nano Puff jackets.
Some sites may claim that the Down Sweater doesn't pack into its own pocket - but it does.
It's packed a little larger than the Nano Puff - but the difference is minimal as you see here. It's still tiny.
Out in dry weather, the Down Sweater is noticeably warmer than the Nano Puff, but it might be a superior option due to its higher durability. It, however, loses its insulating capability significantly when it gets wet, so Nano Puff could be a better choice for damp areas.
- Nano Puff:
- Down Sweater:
- Micro Puff:
Here's a good video review of Nano Puff:
And of the Down Sweater: