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The Micro Puff is updated for FW23. The main highlight is in the number of internal drop-in pockets, which has been increased from 1 to 2.
Nano Puff and Micro Puff are more alike than different. Micro Puff is a bit lighter, more packable, offers one more internal pocket and is just a little bit warmer (nothing noticeable though). Nano Puff, on the other hand, comes with a burlier face fabric, and hence is slightly more durable and weather/abrasion resistant than the Micro Puff.
|Raw Name||Patagonia Micro Puff||Patagonia Nano Puff|
|Name||Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)|
|Temp (°F / °C)||36/2||37/3|
|Best pick for|
|Stuffs into itself?||Yes||Yes|
|Two way zipper?||No||No|
|Size Chart||[Men's / Women's]||[Men's / Women's]|
|Fill Weight (grams)||N/A||N/A|
|FP x FW||N/A||N/A|
|Synthetic Insulator (SI)||PlumaFill||PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco|
|SI Amount||65 g||60 g|
|Face Fabric||Pertex Quantum||22D Polyester|
|Activity||All Round||All Round|
|Weight||298 g / 10.5 oz||363 g / 12.8 oz|
|Length (CB)||75 cm / 29.5 in||71.5 cm / 28 in|
Do take the information given in this article into consideration when deciding between them. But in the end I'd probably go after the one that I like the looks of the most. That's how similar these two are.
- Nano Puff:
- Micro Puff:
Here's how these differences play out in practice:
- If you're not planning to perform any high output activities whatsoever with these jackets...
Then I'd get the Micro Puff. If you're almost always going to be using the jacket in dry areas, then maybe also consider the Down Sweater (Men's - Women's - read how it compares to Nano Puff - read how it compares to Micro Puff).
- If you're planning to perform high output activities less than, say, once every two weeks with these jackets...
Then you can get either one. If abrasion resistance is more important to you (bouldering, climbing, etc), get the Nano Puff. If packability and weight is more important, get the Micro Puff - but keep in mind that the face fabric of Micro Puff is extremely fragile (hence the superior packability).
Both of these jackets offer mediocre breathability. But once every two weeks shouldn't be that much of a problem.
- If you're planning to perform high output activities more than, say, once every two weeks with these jackets...
Then forget about them because neither would cut it. Both offer mediocre breathability. Consider getting a DAS Light Hoody (Men's - Women's) or a Nano Air (Men's - Women's) instead.
- #A sidenote here: Patagonia.com's Web Specials discounts are GOOOLLLDDD. Highly recommend you to check it out before you buy.
- Nano Puff:
- Micro Puff:
|Name||Est. Temp (F/C)||Review||Pit venting?||Stuffs into itself?||Two way zipper?||Type||Activity||Fit||Weight|
|Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's)||-18/-28||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||Climbing||Regular||805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz|
|Feathered Friends Khumbu||-17/-27||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's)||-15/-26||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz|
|Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||820 g / 1 lb 13 oz|
|Rab Positron Pro (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||740 g / 1 lb 10 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's)||-11/-24||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.072 kg / 2 lb 5.8 oz|
|Patagonia Grade VII (Men's)||-11/-24||No||No||Yes||Down||Around Town||Regular||743 g / 1 lb 10.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's)||-10/-23||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz|
|Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's)||-10/-23||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||770 g / 1 lb 11.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's)||-7/-22||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 5.4 oz|
|Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's)||-6/-21||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.253 kg / 2 lb 12.2 oz|
|Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's)||-5/-20||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||822 g / 1 lb 13 oz|
|Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's)||-2/-19||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 6.8 oz|
|Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's)||-2/-19||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 8.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||885 g / 1 lb 15.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Trim||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||415 g / 14.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Revet (Men's)||2/-17||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||890 g / 1 lb 15.4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Down||Climbing||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz|
|Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||825 g / 1 lb 13.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.015 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz|
|Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.307 kg / 2 lb 14.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||745 g / 1 lb 10.3 oz|
|Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||525 g / 1 lb 2.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||991 g / 2 lb 3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Macai (Men's)||5/-15||Review||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz|
|Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||555 g / 1lb 3.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Patera (Women's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Trim||867 g / 1 lb 14.6 oz|
|Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||442 g / 15.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's)||7/-14||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's)||7/-14||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||794 g / 1 lb 12 oz|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's)||7/-14||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||715 g / 1 lb 9.2 oz|
|Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||466 g / 1 lb 0.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz|
|Feathered Friends Eos||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||306 g / 10.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||490 g / 1 lb 1.3 oz|
|Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||435 g / 15.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's)||8/-13||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's)||8/-13||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||507 g / 1 lb. 1.9 oz.|
|Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Koda (Men's)||8/-13||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz|
|Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's)||10/-12||Review||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||1.360 kg / 3 lb|
|Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||No||Yes||No||Parka||All Round||Regular||468 g / 16.5 oz|
|Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz|
|Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's)||14/-10||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Relaxed||785 g / 1 lb 11.7 oz|
|Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz|
|REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||340 g / 13.75 oz|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||16/-9||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||475 g / 1 lb|
|Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||No||No||No||Down||Around Town||Regular||1.014 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's)||19/-7||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||690 g / 1 lb 8.3 oz|
|Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||365 g / 12.9 oz|
|Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Slim||270 g / 9.5 oz|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Review||Yes, zips||No||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz|
|Patagonia Topley (Men's)||23/-5||No||No||Yes||Down||All Round||Regular||1.133 kg / 2 lb 8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz|
|Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||385 g / 13.6 oz|
|Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Regular||428 g / 15.1 oz|
|Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's)||25/-4||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||735 g / 1 lb 9.9 oz|
|Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Down||Around Town||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 4.7 oz|
|Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Around Town||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz|
|Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||250 g / 8.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||305 g / 10.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's)||32/0||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||325 g / 11.5 oz|
|Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's)||34/1||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||Climbing||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz|
|Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||298 g / 10.5 oz|
|Patagonia Isthmus (Men's)||36/2||No||No||No||Parka||Around Town||Regular||895 g / 1 lb 15.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz|
|Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||All Round||Regular||363 g / 12.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's)||39/4||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||Running||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz|
|Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's)||41/5||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||318 g / 11.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||All Round||Trim||215 g / 7.6 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||46/8||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||365 g / 12.9 oz|
|Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's)||48/9||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||Climbing||Trim||323 g / 11.4 oz|
|Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's)||52/11||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||All Round||Trim||245 g / 8.6 oz|
|REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||All Round||Regular||900 g / 1 lb 15.75 oz|
|Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Oversized||645 g / 1 lb 6.8 oz|
|Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||Around Town||Regular||460 g / 1 lb 0.2 oz|
These are the approximate lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold, assuming:
- you only have a shirt under and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with just a little bit wind,
- and in dry weather.
Read more about this chart here in my Insulated Outerwear Temperature Ratings Guide. Also my Best Patagonia Jackets post.
If you think you run warmer or colder than the average person, then shift temperature ranges accordingly.
Lastly - make sure to check out Patagonia.com Web Specials before you buy.
I also talked to the Patagonia Customer Service myself, made additional research and laid out what I found about the differences between Patagonia Nano Puff and Micro Puff Jackets.
Don't worry, I'm not going to make this post a scientific article, but let me mention one thing.
Generally speaking, in order to score the warmth ratings of insulated products, Fill Power (FP) term is being used in today's market.
It's the measured loft of down. In other words, it's the end size of the down when it's at rest, e.g. "fully expanded volume".
The higher the FP rating of an insulator, the warmer it is (assuming everything else is equal).
These jackets are insulated via synthetic materials instead of down.
So instead of FP, they use language such as "PlumaFill" or "PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco".
I did some research to figure their equivalent down qualities, and found this:
Warmth of PlumaFill is equivalent to around 650 fill. PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco, on the other hand, is equivalent to .62 dry CLO value and roughly corresponds to 500 fill.
PlumaFill insulation of Micro Puff does not only offer better insulation compared to Nano Puff's PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco - but its quantity is ALSO more than Nano Puff (65 grams vs 60 grams).
That said, fill power isn't the end-all be-all, although it's the most important. Things like fabric thickness also affect warmth and actually help the Nano close the gap with the Micro Puff in terms of warmth to some degree.
Read more on this:
This means that Micro Puff will offer more warmth, that's certain. But... how warmer it will feel when you're wearing it?
- What's the ULTIMATE result?
Well, according to this chart by Patagonia Micro Puff is just over Nano when it comes to warmth.
And the rep said:
This is mostly determined by the thicknesses of shell and lining fabrics of jackets. Obviously, the thinner the fabrics, the more compressible the product will become.
In our case, Nano Puff vs Micro Puff, the difference is that Nano Puff uses 1.4-oz 20-denier for shell and 1.3-oz 22-denier for lining fabrics (both w/ DWR); whereas Micro Puff uses 0.7-oz 10-denier Quantum Perfex w/ DWR for both shell and lining.
The one that Micro Puff uses (Quantum Perfex) is the LIGHTEST that Patagonia uses!
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
Yes, thinner fabrics are used for Micro Puff - but fabrics of Nano Puff are also quite thin. Also, Micro Puff is filled with a higher FP down and with MORE of it, which roughly balances out the sack sizes.
Weather & Abrasion Resistance
Nano Puff is superior to Micro Puff in terms of weather and abrasion resistances. The difference is much more apparent for the latter, though. This can be something to consider if you're planning to do climbing with this jacket on.
However, these jackets aren't THAT different in any of these departments, so obviously Nano Puff isn't quite robust either.
Both of these jackets offer two external hand warmer pockets. In addition to that, Nano Puff offers one internal zippered chest pocket and Micro Puff offers two internal drop in pockets.
Nano Puff and Micro Puff are more alike than different. Micro Puff is quite a bit lighter and more packable, and just a little bit warmer (nothing noticeable though). Nano Puff, on the other hand, comes with a burlier face fabric, and hence slightly more weather and abrasion resistant than the Micro Puff.
- Nano Puff:
- Micro Puff:
Karrington E Mohr says
This was an incredibly helpful article that thoroughly answered every single one of my questions. Thank you so much for this!
Canberk Koksal says
Glad to hear it was helpful for you Karrington 🙂
Best comparison of two similar clothing products I have seen. Great job! Just found your page and bookmarked it for future use. Thanks for all the work.
Thanks a lot for the kind words, and glad you found it helpful Phil!
I’d really appreciate if you could spread the word when you have the chance 🙂
Hi, very good article. I am very interested on the topic of long term insulation durability which I believe you didn’t cover. Do you have any idea/understanding which of the two jackets, basically which of the two insulations, can be compressed and decompressed more times while retaining a given level of warmth? My experience with the Nano puff regarding this aspect has been terrible. Is the Plumafill better on this than Primaloft Gold Insulation Eco? Thanks!
I don’t know. Style wise, I kinda like the Micro a little bit more. Looks more rugged or something like that. Just my taste I guess. They’re both good looking.
There is one other metric where the Nano outperforms the Micro: breathability or MVTR. From my lab measurements, vapor transmission is 39% better for the Nano. This is a good reason to prefer the Nano over the Micro. I agree with everything else you have written. The clo or thermal resistance of the two is so close one will never notice the difference but the Micro is slightly warmer (10%). Air permeability for the Nano is 1.2 CFM/ft2, compared with 2.7 CFM/Ft2 for the Micro. Again, insignificant.
I have a question. I notice you don’t put the Jackson glacier parka only the jacket, which would you recommend the City Storm parka or the Jackson Glacier parka for warmth