- FYI, REI is currently on sale.
- This Patagonia P-6 t-shirt, for example, is currently 40% off. To reveal all the discounts (clothing & all others), click here: rei.com/f/scd-deals
Unless packability is a big concern for you, I'd almost always recommend the Nano Puff (see image) over the Micro Puff, as I also clarified in my Best Patagonia Jackets post.
Jump to the bottom for full list of my Patagonia reviews.
Nano Puff and Micro Puff are more alike than they're different. They offer similar breathability and warmth.
They do have some differences worth mentioning, though.
Nano Puff is more durable and weather resistant (also looks better - at least to me), whereas the Micro Puff packs much smaller without compromising its insulation capability.
In summary, unless you're specifically looking for something with exceptionally high warmth to weight ratio, then the Nano Puff is probably a better option for you.
- #A sidenote here: Patagonia.com's Web Specials discounts are GOOOLLLDDD. Highly recommend you to check it out before you buy.
- Nano Puff is more durable, versatile and looks better (at least to me)
- Micro Puff is a bit warmer (nothing noticeable though) and 3.5 oz lighter
I've also put this post together for the comparison between all the popular Arcteryx and Patagonia mid-layers, including the two in this post.
So if you're interested to see how well these two jackets scored in the warmth, comfort, weather & abrasion resistance, breathability and style departments; check that out as well.
If you want to read more about their comparison to Down Sweater, check out my posts below:
Find below the lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold.
These are only approximate values assuming:
- you only have a shirt under and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with enough wind to cause an umbrella to twist in your hand,
- and when it's dry out.
| Name | Est. Temp (F/C) | Insulation | Review | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arc'teryx Alpha Parka (Men's - Women's) | -17/-27 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Feathered Friends Khumbu (Men's) | -17/-27 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's) | -15/-26 | Down | Down | Review | Yes | M |
| Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's - Women's) | -13/-25 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Positron Pro (Men's - Women's) | -13/-25 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Grade VII (Men's) | -11/-24 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's) | -10/-23 | Down | Down | Review | Yes | M W |
| Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's) | -10/-23 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's) | -7/-22 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M |
| Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's) | -6/-21 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's) | -5/-20 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | W |
| Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's) | -2/-19 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Therme (Men's) | -2/-19 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M |
| Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's) | 0/-18 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | Yes | M |
| Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's) | 0/-18 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M |
| Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's) | 2/-17 | Down | ParkaD | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M |
| Outdoor Research Super Alpine (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Radsten (Men's) | 3/-16 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's) | 5/-15 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Macai (Men's | 5/-15 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Nuclei SV Parka (Men's - Women's) | 5/-15 | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M W | |
| Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's - Women's) | 5/-15 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Patera (Women's) | 5/-15 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | W |
| Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Down | Down | Review | Yes | M W |
| Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | Yes | M |
| Arc'teryx Prema (Women's) | 7/-14 | Down | ParkaD | No | W | |
| Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated Men's) | 7/-14 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Feathered Friends Eos (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's) | 8/-13 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's) | 8/-13 | Down | ParkaD | No | W | |
| Arc'teryx Koda (Men's) | 8/-13 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Kole (Men's - Women's) | 10/-12 | Down | ParkaD | No | W | |
| Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's) | 10/-12 | Synthetic | ParkaS | Review | No | W |
| Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Yes | M | |
| Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | Down | ParkaD | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's) | 14/-10 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | W | |
| Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's ) | 14/-10 | Down | Down | Review | No | M |
| REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 14/-10 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's) | 19/-7 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's) | 19/-7 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Topley (Men's) | 23/-5 | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 23/-5 | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M W | |
| Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's) | 26/-3 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisp/2 (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's) | 32/0 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's) | 32/0 | Down | ParkaD | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's) | 36/2 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 36/2 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Patagonia Isthmus (Men's | 36/2 | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's) | 39/4 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Yes | M W | |
| Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's) | 41/5 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's) | 43/6 | Down | Down | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's - Women's) | 48/9 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | No | M W |
| Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's) | 52/11 | Synthetic | Synthetic | Review | Yes | M W |
| The North Face Summit Down (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Mountain Equipment Lightline Echo (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Mountain Equipment Kryos (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Mountain Equipment Xeros (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Arc'teryx Andra LT IS (Women's) | Testing | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | W | |
| Arc'teryx Phoria IS (Women's) | Testing | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | W | |
| Feathered Friends Helios (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Feathered Friends Volant (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Axion Pro (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Feathered Friends Rock & Ice (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Valiance (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M W | |
| Rab Expedition 8000 (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Zero G (Men's) | Testing | Down | Down | No | M | |
| Rab Generator Alpine (Men's) | Testing | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M | |
| UBR Regulator Parka II (Men's) | Testing | Synthetic | ParkaS | No | M | |
| Helly Hansen LifaLoft (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M | |
| Mammut Eigerjoch (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M W | |
| Helly Hansen Lumines (Men's - Women's) | Unknown | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M | |
| Haglofs V Series Mimic (Men's - Women's) | Unknown | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M W | |
| Black Diamond First Light (Men's - Women's) | Unknown | Synthetic | Synthetic | No | M W |
Read more about this chart here in my Insulated Outerwear Temperature Ratings Guide. Also my Best Patagonia Jackets post.
If you think you run warmer or colder than the average person, then shift temperature ranges accordingly.
Lastly - make sure to check out Patagonia.com Web Specials before you buy.
I talked to the Patagonia Customer Service myself (screenshots below), made hours of research and laid out what I found about the differences between Patagonia Nano Puff and Micro Puff Jackets.
Click on image to enlarge. Click here for full [PDF] conversation if it's still too small for you to read.
So, as you see, their five KEY differences that we'll dive deep into are:
- Warmth
- Weight
- Durability
- Versatility
- Design
Before we get down to the bolts and nuts of all these elements one by one, one thing I'd like to add is that if you're planning to be physically active inside either of these jackets, then forget about getting either of them since they both offer very low breathability and hence will be sweaty... So check this post out instead in that case.
- Some of the Patagucci products you see in this post might be discontinued, and hence might be unavailable at patagonia.com.
- If that's the case, then I'd recommend you to check out this page at REI. You might be able to find them there. manufactures great jackets, but they can be expensive for most of us.
Warmth
Don't worry, I'm not going to make this post a scientific article, but let me mention one thing.
Generally speaking, in order to score the warmth ratings of insulated products, Fill Power (FP) term is being used in today's market.
It's the measured loft of down. In other words, it's the end size of the down when it's at rest, e.g. "fully expanded volume".
The higher the FP rating of an insulator, the warmer it is (assuming everything else is equal).
That said...
These jackets are insulated via synthetic materials instead of down.
So instead of FP, they use language such as "PlumaFill" or "PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco".
I did some research to figure their equivalent down qualities, and found this:
Warmth of PlumaFill is equivalent to around 650 fill. PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco, on the other hand, is equivalent to .62 dry CLO value and roughly corresponds to 500 fill.
So...
PlumaFill insulation of Micro Puff does not only offer better insulation compared to Nano Puff's PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco - but its quantity is ALSO more than Nano Puff (65 grams vs 60 grams).
That said, fill power isn't the end-all be-all, although it's the most important. Things like fabric thickness also affect warmth and actually help the Nano close the gap with the Micro Puff in terms of warmth to some degree.
Check out this article of mine for more about this.
This means that Micro Puff will offer more warmth, that's certain. But... how warmer it will feel when you're wearing it?
- What's the ULTIMATE result?
Well, according to this chart by Patagonia Micro Puff is just over Nano when it comes to warmth.
And the rep said:
But... We KNOW that Micro Puff is warmer than Nano for above reasons.
So... my conclusion is...
Generally speaking, with a long sleeved shirt beneath and without any shell above these jackets, we can say that the lowest temperatures an average person can wear these jackets comfortably without feeling cold would be around...
37 deg F (3 deg C) for Nano Puff and 36 deg F (2 deg C) for Micro Puff.
If you think you run colder or warmer than the average person, then shift these temperatures accordingly.
Yes, the difference is minimal, and mostly not even noticeable.
Compressibility
This is mostly determined by the thicknesses of sheel and lining fabrics of jackets.
The thinner the fabrics, the more compressible the product will become.
In our case, Nano Puff vs Micro Puff, the difference is that Nano Puff uses 1.4-oz 20-denier for shell and 1.3-oz 22-denier for lining fabrics (both w/ DWR); whereas Micro Puff uses 0.7-oz 10-denier Quantum Perfex w/ DWR for both shell and lining.
The one that Micro Puff uses (Quantum Perfex) is the LIGHTEST that Patagonia uses!
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
Yes, thinner fabrics are used for Micro Puff - but fabrics of Nano Puff are also quite thin. Also, Micro Puff is filled with a higher FP down and with MORE of it, which roughly balances out the sack sizes.
Here's the result.
So...
The size differences between the sacks aren't noticeable.
Weight
On a sidenote - this difference in fabric thicknesses is also the cause of the weight difference between these jackets.
As a result, Micro Puff sits at 235 g (8.3 oz) compared to Nano Puff's 337 g (11.9 oz). Which is nearly 100 grams (3.5 oz) of extra weight.
Noticeable? For casual purposes, no. For pro-purposes (trekking, climbing etc) can be.
Which means...
Micro Puff is 3.5 oz (100 grams) lighter than Nano Puff.
On the other hand, there IS a sacrifice made by using this thin fabrics.
Which brings me to my next point...
Durability
Micro Puff is made of thinner fabrics, so it's more fragile compared to Nano Puff.
Again, these jackets aren't THAT different in any of these departments, so obviously Nano Puff isn't quite robust either.
Micro Puff is fragile and needs to be treated more kindly compared to Nano Puff. Durability of Nano Puff is better than Micro Puff, but it still isn't very robust.
Versatility
If it still isn't obvious by now, Micro Puff is much more of a "Pro" product when you compare it to Nano Puff.
Its advantages such as being 0.5 lighter and being compressed slightly smaller into its own stuff sack would mostly considered essential when it comes to serious outdoor activities.
On the other hand, the advantages of Nano Puff, such as better durability and prettier design are more reasonable trade-offs for most casual outgoings around the neighborhood - especially when you consider the fact that you sacrifice very little (if not noticeable at all!) in weight, packed size and warmth.
Comes down to your choice. My guess is that most of you guys are here for casual outwear, so I'd recommend Nano Puff over Micro Puff to all of you.
Design
Is it just me?
Or does Micro Puff's shoulder reinforcements and wrinkled backside REALLY make it look like kind of... "obsolete" or "stale"?
I mean... When Micro Puff adapts to the curves of your back anatomy, the wrinkles make it look like you're wearing a... ugh... "garbage bag" for the lack of a better word...
To me, this is another reason why Nano Puff is a better choice for casual outwear over Micro Puff.
Besides casual outwear, you'd put less importance on the design of the jacket and more on its performance and functionality, so it'd be a better idea to go for Micro Puff in such cases.
Nano looks prettier than Micro, but let me know what you think in the comment section below!
Conclusion
If you're looking for a stylish & robust, casual outwear that provides above average warmth and high versatility, then Nano Puff is probably your jacket. If you're specifically looking for something with exceptionally high warmth to weight ratio, then go for Micro.
Here's a good video of this comparison made by Ultra Light Gear:
Check out the review of Nano here:
And the review of Micro here:
Navigate to the product pages here:
Nano Puff Men's:
Nano Puff Women's:
Micro Puff Men's:
Micro Puff Women's:
I hope this post was helpful for you to learn more about the jacket(s) in your mind.
Feel free to ask me any questions or provide feedback and I'll be happy to respond in the comment section below.
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Thank you for reading!
This was an incredibly helpful article that thoroughly answered every single one of my questions. Thank you so much for this!
Glad to hear it was helpful for you Karrington 🙂
Best comparison of two similar clothing products I have seen. Great job! Just found your page and bookmarked it for future use. Thanks for all the work.
Thanks a lot for the kind words, and glad you found it helpful Phil!
I’d really appreciate if you could spread the word when you have the chance 🙂
Hi, very good article. I am very interested on the topic of long term insulation durability which I believe you didn’t cover. Do you have any idea/understanding which of the two jackets, basically which of the two insulations, can be compressed and decompressed more times while retaining a given level of warmth? My experience with the Nano puff regarding this aspect has been terrible. Is the Plumafill better on this than Primaloft Gold Insulation Eco? Thanks!
I don’t know. Style wise, I kinda like the Micro a little bit more. Looks more rugged or something like that. Just my taste I guess. They’re both good looking.
There is one other metric where the Nano outperforms the Micro: breathability or MVTR. From my lab measurements, vapor transmission is 39% better for the Nano. This is a good reason to prefer the Nano over the Micro. I agree with everything else you have written. The clo or thermal resistance of the two is so close one will never notice the difference but the Micro is slightly warmer (10%). Air permeability for the Nano is 1.2 CFM/ft2, compared with 2.7 CFM/Ft2 for the Micro. Again, insignificant.
I have a question. I notice you don’t put the Jackson glacier parka only the jacket, which would you recommend the City Storm parka or the Jackson Glacier parka for warmth