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Raw Name | Arc'teryx Alpha | Arc'teryx Cerium SV | Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight | Arc'teryx Thorium | Patagonia Fitz Roy | Patagonia Down Sweater | Arc'teryx Cerium |
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Name | Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's) | Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's) | Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's) | Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's) | Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's) | Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's) | Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's) |
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Temp (°F / °C) | -18/-28 | 0/-18 | 3/-16 | 7/-14 | 8/-13 | 23/-5 | 26/-3 |
Breathability | 8/10 | 5/10 | Testing | 6/10 | Testing | Testing | Testing |
Weather Resistance | 10/10 | 9/10 | Testing | 8/10 | Testing | Testing | Testing |
Durability | 10/10 | 9/10 | Testing | 8/10 | Testing | Testing | Testing |
Packability | 7/10 | 3/10 | Testing | 8/10 | Testing | Testing | Testing |
Best pick for | Warmest Arc'teryx jacket. | ||||||
Review | Review | Review | Review | Review | |||
Pit venting? | No | No | No | No | No | No | No |
Stuffs into itself? | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Two way zipper? | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | No | No | No |
Size Chart | [Women's] | [Men's / Women's] | [Men's] | [Men's / Women's] | [Men's / Women's] | ||
Type | Down | Down | Down | Down | Down | Down | Down |
Fill Power | 850 | 850 | 850 | 750 | 800 | 800 | 850 |
Fill Weight (grams) | 296 | 162 | 117 | 140 | 128 | 150 | 113 |
FP x FW | 251,600 | 137,700 | 99,450 | 105,000 | 102,400 | 120,000 | 96,050 |
Synthetic Insulator (SI) | Coreloft | Coreloft | Coreloft Compact | Coreloft | N/A | N/A | Coreloft |
SI Amount | 90 g/m² | 80 + 140 g/m² | 40 g/m² | 80 + 140 g/m² | N/A | N/A | 80 + 100 g/m² |
Face Fabric | N30r 2L GoreTex Infinium | Arato 7 & 10 | Hadron 2L Gore-Tex Infinium | Arato 30 | 20D Nylon | 1.4 oz 20x30D polyester | Arato 15 |
Activity | Climbing | All Round | Climbing | All Round | All Round | All Round | All Round |
Fit | Regular | Regular | Regular | Regular | Regular | Regular | Trim |
Weight | 805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz | 415 g / 14.6 oz | 540 g / 1 lb 3 oz | 517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz | 632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz | 428 g / 15.1 oz | 335 g / 11.8 oz |
Length (CB) | 86 cm / 34 in | 69.5 cm / 27.4 in | ? | 71.5 cm / 28.1 in | 74 cm / 29 in | 67 cm / 26.25 in | ? |
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First thing you should know about down jackets is that you should only consider getting one for stationary use, in dry weather.
Because, all down jackets offer:
- Low breathability,
- Poor wet weather performance,
- Fragile outer shell.
Always.
No exceptions.
If this isn't you, then you should stop reading this post and go check out my Best Synthetic Insulated Jackets article.
I'd also recommend you to check out my Best Arc'teryx Jackets and Best Patagonia Jackets articles.
Do make sure checking out the given temperature ratings, but still, for most of you...
My number one recommendations would be from my favorite brand Arc'teryx. Thorium AR (Men's - Women's - read my review) would be my top pick, with the Cerium LT (Men's - Women's - read my review) being the top alternative to it.
- I also recommend these two as best down picks for casual use out in variable temperature & variable weather, as you can see in my Best Arc'teryx Jackets post.
- Read my Thorium AR vs Cerium LT comparison here.
- Cerium LT also offers alternatives: SL and SV. See my Cerium SL vs LT vs SV post to find out how they compare.
My top non-Arc'teryx pick would be Feathered Friends Eos (Men's - Women's), with Patagonia's Down Sweater (Men's - Women's - read my review) being the top alternative to it.
#Important note: A down jacket will lose its insulating capability under fairly wet conditions. Either from your sweat or wet weather.
That's why, if you're going to be using them in damp areas, I'd urge you to consider getting a synthetic insulated jacket instead. They're mostly heavier, but perform better in wet conditions.
Temperature Ratings
The warmth data provided below for each product are obtained either by:
- Trying them out,
- Analyzing them scientifically,
- And/or gathering tens of authentic, non-biased offline user experience.
Approximate lowest temperatures you can wear each down jacket in the market without feeling uncomfortably cold are...
Name | Est. Temp (F/C) | Review | Pit venting? | Stuffs into itself? | Two way zipper? | Type | Fill Power | Fill Weight (grams) | Fill Volume (FP x FW) | Synthetic Insulator (SI) | SI Amount | Face Fabric | Activity | Fit | Weight | Length (CB) |
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Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's) | -18/-28 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 850 | 296 | 251,600 | Coreloft | 90 g/m² | N30r 2L GoreTex Infinium | Climbing | Regular | 805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz | 86 cm / 34 in |
Feathered Friends Khumbu | -17/-27 | No | Yes | No | Down | 900 | 378 | 340,200 | Primaloft Gold | 200 g | Pretex Shield XT | All Round | Regular | 960 g / 2 lb 2 oz | ? | |
Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's) | -15/-26 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 850 | 240 | 204,000 | Coreloft | ? | Arato 30 | All Round | Regular | 880 g / 1 lb 15 oz | 86 cm / 34 in |
Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's) | -13/-25 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 300 | 240,000 | N/A | N/A | 30D Drilite | All Round | Regular | 820 g / 1 lb 13 oz | 76 cm / 30 in | |
Rab Positron Pro (Men's) | -13/-25 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 300 | 240,000 | N/A | N/A | 40D Pertex Quantum Pro | All Round | Regular | 740 g / 1 lb 10 oz | 85 cm / 33.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's) | -11/-24 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 211 | 158,250 | Coreloft | 60 g/m² | 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 1.072 kg / 2 lb 5.8 oz | 96 cm / 37.75 in |
Patagonia Grade VII (Men's) | -11/-24 | No | No | Yes | Down | 800 | 335 | 268,000 | N/A | N/A | 1.2 oz 15 & 20D Perfex Quantum | Around Town | Regular | 743 g / 1 lb 10.1 oz | 83 cm / 32.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's) | -10/-23 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 225 | 180,000 | N/A | N/A | Arato 7 & 10 | All Round | Regular | 680 g / 1 lb 8 oz | 79 cm / 31 in |
Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's) | -10/-23 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 265 | 212,000 | N/A | N/A | Nylon | All Round | Regular | 770 g / 1 lb 11.2 oz | 79 cm / 31 in | |
Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's) | -7/-22 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 192 | 144,000 | Coreloft | 60 g/m² | 90D 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 1.1 kg / 2 lb 5.4 oz | 91 cm / 36 in |
Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's) | -6/-21 | Review | No | No | No | Parka | 700 | 268 | 187,600 | N/A | N/A | 4 oz 75-denier polyester | Around Town | Regular | 1.253 kg / 2 lb 12.2 oz | 84 cm / 33 in |
Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's) | -5/-20 | No | No | Yes | Down | 700 | 295 | 206,500 | N/A | N/A | 50D Drilite | All Round | Regular | 822 g / 1 lb 13 oz | 72 cm / 28 in | |
Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's) | -2/-19 | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 74 | 55,500 | Coreloft | 60 + 80 g/m² | 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 1.1 kg / 2 lb 6.8 oz | 117.5 cm / 46.25 in | |
Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's) | -2/-19 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 212 | 169,600 | N/A | N/A | 20D Pertex Quantum Pro | All Round | Regular | 585 g / 1 lb 8.6 oz | 77 cm / 30.3 in | |
Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | ThermaTek | 92 g/m² | 30D Nylon | Around Town | Regular | 705 g / 1 lb 9 oz | 84 cm / 33 in |
Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's) | 0/-18 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 157 | 117,750 | Coreloft | 60 g/m² | N90p Nylon | Around Town | Regular | 885 g / 1 lb 15.2 oz | 95 cm / 37.5 in |
Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review | No | No | No | Parka | 750 | 105 | 78,750 | Coreloft | 140 g/m² | N150p-X Gore-Tex | Around Town | Trim | 960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz | 80 cm / 31.5 in |
Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 162 | 137,700 | Coreloft | 80 + 140 g/m² | Arato 7 & 10 | All Round | Regular | 415 g / 14.6 oz | 69.5 cm / 27.4 in |
Arc'teryx Revet (Men's) | 2/-17 | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | ? | N/A | N/A | 20d nylon/spandex double weave | Around Town | Regular | 755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz | 91 cm / 36 in | ||
Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's) | 3/-16 | No | Yes | Yes | Parka | 750 | 218 | 163,500 | N/A | N/A | Arato 10 | Around Town | Regular | 515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz | 82 cm / 32.25 in | |
Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Review | No | No | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 90 + 65 g/m² | N80p-X Gore-Tex 2L | All Round | Regular | 890 g / 1 lb 15.4 oz | 81 cm / 31.8 in |
Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's) | 3/-16 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 850 | 117 | 99,450 | Coreloft Compact | 40 g/m² | Hadron 2L Gore-Tex Infinium | Climbing | Regular | 540 g / 1 lb 3 oz | ? | |
Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | No | No | Yes | Down | 800 | 182 | 145,600 | N/A | N/A | 30D Pertex Quantum Pro | All Round | Regular | 825 g / 1 lb 13.1 oz | 85 cm / 33.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's) | 3/-16 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 + 120 g/m² | N90p 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 1.015 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz | 123 cm / 48.5 in | |
Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Review | No | No | No | Parka | 700 | 118 | 82,600 | N/A | N/A | 5.5 oz polyester | Around Town | Regular | 1.307 kg / 2 lb 14.1 oz | 85 cm / 33.5 in |
Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's) | 3/-16 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 120 g/m² | NP100d Gore-Tex 2L | Around Town | Regular | 745 g / 1 lb 10.3 oz | 82 cm / 32.25 in | |
Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's) | 5/-15 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 800 | 180 | 144,000 | N/A | N/A | 20D Pertex Quantum Pro | All Round | Regular | 525 g / 1 lb 2.5 oz | 74 cm / 29 in | |
Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 120 | 90,000 | Coreloft | 60 + 80 g/m² | P75d Polyester | Around Town | Regular | 991 g / 2 lb 3 oz | 85 cm / 33.5 in |
Arc'teryx Macai (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review | Yes, zips | No | No | Down | 750 | 69 | 51,750 | Coreloft Compact | 60 + 100 g/m² | N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex | Ski/Snowboard | Regular | 1 kg / 2 lb 4 oz | 76 cm / 30 in |
Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 180 g/m2 + 90 g/m2 | Arato 15 | Climbing | Regular | 600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz | 81 cm / 31.8 in |
Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's) | 5/-15 | No | Yes | Yes | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco | 133 + 40 g | Pertex Quantum Pro | Around Town | Regular | 555 g / 1lb 3.6 oz | 84 cm / 33 in | |
Arc'teryx Patera (Women's) | 5/-15 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 58 | 43,500 | Coreloft | 60 + 80 g/m² | 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Trim | 867 g / 1 lb 14.6 oz | 93 cm / 37 in |
Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 700 | 155 | 108,500 | N/A | N/A | 30D ripstop nylon | All Round | Regular | 442 g / 15.6 oz | 76 cm / 29.75 in | |
Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's) | 7/-14 | Review | No | No | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 140 g/m² | N70p Gore Thermium | All Round | Regular | 755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz | 80 cm / 31.5 in |
Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's) | 7/-14 | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 92 | 69,000 | N/A | N/A | Nylon | Around Town | Regular | 794 g / 1 lb 12 oz | 117 cm / 46.1 in | |
Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's) | 7/-14 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 120 g/m² | NP100d Gore-Tex 2L | Around Town | Regular | 715 g / 1 lb 9.2 oz | 73 cm / 28.75 in | |
Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | No | Yes | No | Down | 700 | 153 | 107,100 | N/A | N/A | 30D Pertex Quantum | All Round | Regular | 466 g / 1 lb 0.5 oz | 72 cm / 28.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Review | No | Yes | Yes | Down | 750 | 140 | 105,000 | Coreloft | 80 + 140 g/m² | Arato 30 | All Round | Regular | 517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz | 71.5 cm / 28.1 in |
Feathered Friends Eos | 8/-13 | No | Yes | No | Down | 900 | 105 | 94,500 | N/A | N/A | Pertex Quantum | All Round | Regular | 306 g / 10.8 oz | ? | |
Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 750 | 130 | 97,500 | Coreloft | 80 + 140 g/m² | Arato 30 | All Round | Regular | 490 g / 1 lb 1.3 oz | 72 cm / 28.3 in |
Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | PlumaFill | 135 + 90 g | 10D Recycled nylon ripstop | All Round | Regular | 435 g / 15.3 oz | 79 cm / 31 in |
Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's) | 8/-13 | Yes, zips | No | No | Down | 750 | 49 | 36,750 | Coreloft Compact | 60 g/m² | N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex | Ski/Snowboard | Regular | 855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz | 74 cm / 29.1 in | |
Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's) | 8/-13 | No | No | Yes | Parka | 750 | 92 | 69,000 | N/A | N/A | Arato 10 | Around Town | Regular | 507 g / 1 lb. 1.9 oz. | 87 cm / 34.4 in | |
Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | No | Yes | No | Down | 800 | 128 | 102,400 | N/A | N/A | 20D Nylon | All Round | Regular | 632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz | 74 cm / 29 in | |
Arc'teryx Koda (Men's) | 8/-13 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 + 140 g/m² | N80p-X Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz | 75 cm / 29.5 in | |
Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's) | 10/-12 | Review | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | ThermoLite | 100 g | 65% nylon, 35% polyester | Around Town | Regular | 1.360 kg / 3 lb | 90 cm / 35.5 in |
Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | No | Yes | No | Parka | 700 | 191 | 133,700 | N/A | N/A | 4.2 oz polyester | All Round | Regular | 468 g / 16.5 oz | 91 cm / 36 in | |
Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | Review | No | No | Yes | Parka | 700 | 141 | 98,700 | N/A | N/A | 3.6 oz 50D polyester | Around Town | Regular | 880 g / 1 lb 15 oz | 79 cm / 31 in |
Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's) | 14/-10 | No | No | Yes | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 120 g/m² | NP100d Gore-Tex 2L | Around Town | Relaxed | 785 g / 1 lb 11.7 oz | 86 cm / 34 in | |
Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's) | 14/-10 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 600 | 177 | 106,200 | N/A | N/A | 1.4 oz 30D polyester | All Round | Regular | 540 g / 1 lb 3 oz | 76 cm / 30 in |
REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 14/-10 | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 120 | 102,000 | N/A | N/A | Pertex mini ripstop nylon | All Round | Regular | 340 g / 13.75 oz | 74 cm / 29.25 in | |
Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's) | 16/-9 | Review | No | No | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 g/m² + 120 g/m² | 2L 40D Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz | ? |
Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | Review | Yes, mesh | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 120 g/m2 + 80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2 | 30D Tyono | All Round | Regular | 475 g / 1 lb | 74 cm / 29.1 in |
Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | No | No | No | Down | 600 | 279 | 167,400 | N/A | N/A | 4.2 oz polyester | Around Town | Regular | 1.014 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz | ? | |
Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's) | 19/-7 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 g | N60p Gore-Tex 2L | Around Town | Regular | 690 g / 1 lb 8.3 oz | 83 cm / 32.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 117 | 99,450 | N/A | N/A | Arato | All Round | Regular | 365 g / 12.9 oz | 75 cm / 29.5 in | |
Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | No | Yes | No | Down | 800 | 100 | 80,000 | N/A | N/A | 0.8 oz 10D polyester | All Round | Slim | 270 g / 9.5 oz | 74 cm / 29 in | |
Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | Review | Yes, zips | No | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 80 g/m² | 2L 40D Gore-Tex | All Round | Regular | 680 g / 1 lb 8 oz | 78.5 cm / 31 in |
Patagonia Topley (Men's) | 23/-5 | No | No | Yes | Down | 700 | 172 | 120,400 | N/A | N/A | 6 oz polyester | All Round | Regular | 1.133 kg / 2 lb 8 oz | 77 cm / 30.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's) | 23/-5 | No | Yes | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 65 g/m² | N40p-X 2L Gore-Tex | Climbing | Regular | 610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz | 78 cm / 30.75 in | |
Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 23/-5 | No | Yes | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | PrimaLoft Silver | 60 g | 30D Pertex Quantum | All Round | Regular | 385 g / 13.6 oz | 71.5 cm / 28.1 in | |
Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's) | 23/-5 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 800 | 150 | 120,000 | N/A | N/A | 1.4 oz 20x30D polyester | All Round | Regular | 428 g / 15.1 oz | 67 cm / 26.25 in |
Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's) | 25/-4 | No | No | Yes | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 g/m² | 2L 40D Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 735 g / 1 lb 9.9 oz | ? | |
Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's) | 26/-3 | Review | No | No | No | Down | 700 | 109 | 76,300 | N/A | N/A | 2.2 oz polyester | Around Town | Regular | 585 g / 1 lb 4.7 oz | 74 cm / 29 in |
Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's) | 26/-3 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 40 g/m² | 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz | 73 cm / 28.75 in |
Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's) | 26/-3 | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 113 | 96,050 | Coreloft | 80 + 100 g/m² | Arato 15 | All Round | Trim | 335 g / 11.8 oz | ? | |
Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | No | Yes | No | Down | 800 | 85 | 68,000 | N/A | N/A | 10D Ripstop Nylon | All Round | Trim | 250 g / 8.8 oz | 70 cm / 27.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 102 | 86,700 | Coreloft | 80 + 100 g/m² | Arato 10 | All Round | Trim | 305 g / 10.8 oz | 72 cm / 28.3 in |
Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's) | 32/0 | Review | No | Yes | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 65 g/m² | Arato 10r | Climbing | Trim | 325 g / 11.5 oz | 75 cm / 29.5 in |
Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's) | 34/1 | No | Yes | Yes | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | PlumaFill | 65 g | 0.8-oz 10-denier Pertex Quantum Pro | Climbing | Regular | 320 g / 11.3 oz | 77 cm / 30.5 in | |
Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 36/2 | Review | No | Yes | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | PlumaFill | 65 g | Pertex Quantum | All Round | Trim | 298 g / 10.5 oz | 75 cm / 29.5 in |
Patagonia Isthmus (Men's) | 36/2 | No | No | No | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | ThermoGreen | 60 g | 4.2 oz polyester | Around Town | Regular | 895 g / 1 lb 15.6 oz | 70 cm / 27.5 in | |
Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2 | Fortius Air 20 | Climbing | Trim | 375 g / 13.2 oz | 75 cm / 29.4 in |
Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Review | No | Yes | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco | 60 g | 22D Polyester | All Round | Regular | 363 g / 12.8 oz | 71.5 cm / 28 in |
Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's) | 39/4 | No | Yes | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 40 g/m² | Gore-Tex ShakeDry | Running | Trim | 270 g / 9.5 oz | 71.5 cm / 28.1 in | |
Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's) | 41/5 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | FullRange | 60 g | 33D Nylon ripstop | All Round | Trim | 318 g / 11.2 oz | ? |
Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's) | 43/6 | Review | Yes, mesh | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Continuous | 60 g/m² | 20D Tyono | All Round | Trim | 375 g / 13.2 oz | 74 cm / 29.1 in |
Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's) | 43/6 | Review | No | Yes | No | Down | 850 | 58 | 49,300 | Coreloft | 40 + 100 g/m² | Arato 7 | All Round | Trim | 215 g / 7.6 oz | 69 cm / 27.2 in |
Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's) | 46/8 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 40 g/m² | Fortius™ Air 50 | All Round | Trim | 365 g / 12.9 oz | ? |
Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's) | 48/9 | Review | No | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Octa Loft | 94 g/m² | Fortius Air 20 | Climbing | Trim | 323 g / 11.4 oz | 77 cm / 30.4 in |
Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's) | 52/11 | Review | Yes, mesh | No | No | Synthetic | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft Compact | 40 g/m² | 20D Tyono | All Round | Trim | 245 g / 8.6 oz | 72 cm / 28.3 in |
REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's) | Testing | Yes, zips | No | No | Down | 850 | ? | N/A | N/A | 40D + 80D | All Round | Regular | 900 g / 1 lb 15.75 oz | 80 cm / 31.5 in | ||
Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's) | Testing | No | No | Yes | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 + 100 g/m² | 40D 3L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Oversized | 645 g / 1 lb 6.8 oz | 93 cm / 37 in | |
Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's) | Testing | No | No | Yes | Parka | N/A | N/A | N/A | Coreloft | 80 + 140 g/m² | 40D 2L Gore-Tex | Around Town | Regular | 460 g / 1 lb 0.2 oz | 93 cm / 37 in |
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
These are only approximate values assuming:
- you only have a shirt under and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with enough wind to cause an umbrella to twist in your hand,
- and when it's dry out.
If you think you run warmer or colder than the average person, then shift temperature ranges accordingly.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%.
Let's clarify the reasons behind this.
Warmth
Warmth is the most important thing you should focus on when getting a down jacket. There are two major factors to it:
- Fill power,
- Fill weight.
Note that these are major two factors, not only two factors.
Fill Power
The word "down" is typically mostly referred to as "fill" in down insulated garment language.
Fill Power refers to the fully expanded end volume of a 1 oz down (goose or duck). It's in cubic inches.
For example, a 800 FP (fill power) down will end up getting as large as 800 cubic inches when it's fully expanded at rest.
Because the insulation occurs by trapping air within the vacant spots of down, followed by having that air heated using our body heat.
So, the higher the volume of trapped air (which is determined by the Fill Power of down), the more air will be heated & work as insulation as a result.
In the end, more warmth will be provided.
By the way...
Fill power isn't only about warmth level at all. Having said that, all I'm currently trying to accomplish is to decode the nature of warmth in an analytical way.
Fill Power.
This is why I'm going to skip other roles of fill power and will get back to it later in this post.
Here's a video that also does a good job explaining fill power:
Moving on to our other major factor...
Fill Weight
Fill weight is the amount of down the insulated piece is equipped with. It's just as important as fill power when it comes to warmth.
Because, just like fill power, also fill weight directly affects the amount of air trapped within the vacant spots of down.
That said, the role of fill power on other factors (long term warmth, warmth during movement, warmth distribution, compressibility) is significantly greater than fill weight.
Important: Warmth Calculation
Reminder: Fill power and fill weight are the two most important factors when it comes to warmth.
On a larger scale, assuming both jackets are equipped with identical synthetic insulation (or none of it), it is possible to make very close estimations by multiplying them when comparing warmth ratings of two different pieces.
For example...
- Rab Neutrino Pro offers 227 grams of 800 FP down.
- 227*800 = 181,600
- Outdoor Research Alpine Down offers 182 grams of 800 FP down.
- 182*800 = 145,600
Since 181,600 is significantly greater than 145,600; it's safe to say that the former will be warmer than the latter.
Now...
There are reasons why this mostly won't work on a smaller (or sometimes even on a large) scale.
Comparing two jackets with, say, 125,000 and 120,000 FP * FW values.
The main reasons include but are not limited to:
- Presence of other synthetic insulators,
- Length,
- Bagginess,
- Outer fabric,
- Fill power (I know this is confusing... ignore it for now).
Let's clarify them briefly.
Synthetic Reinforcements
This is one of the primary reasons for this. For example, Arc'teryx always uses synthetic insulation strategically in high wear areas for all their down jackets.
As you can guess, this is part of the reason why they're listed warmer than down jackets with equal FP * FW values.
Length
In colder weather, it becomes much harder to keep your legs and feet warm than your torso and arms.
This is why, the longer the hem length, the warmer the jacket will feel. And the difference is pretty noticeable.
Bagginess
I talked about this more in detail in my Arc'teryx Thorsen vs Therme vs Camosun post.
Baggier cut of Cerium SV helps with its incredible warmth.
Briefly, the amount of trapped air increases as the jacket gets baggier. So more air works as insulation, and ultimately you're kept warmer.
There certainly is something as "too baggy", though. After some point, more inner volume only holds the warmth back.
Weather Resistance & Outer Fabric
Outer fabric is actually much more about weather resistance, but it also affects warmth a little bit.
As explained earlier, no down jacket is able to offer well weather resistance since they get clumped and loses their loft when they get wet.
This is the case regardless from getting wet through your sweat or weather conditions.
That being said, it's still possible to sort them by their strength. But the difference is minimal here - so much that it might not even be noticeable:
Arato 30 = Perfex Quantum Pro > Perfex Quantum > Arato 10 = Drilite Loft 40D > Arato 7 = Drilite Loft 20D > others.
Other impacts of Fill Power
Higher FP will retain its loft with minimal loss during movement. Whereas a lower quality (which is a lower FP) down will do a poor job with this.
For the sake of simplicity and trying not to make this a scientific article, I decided to place equal importance (weight) on fill power and fill weight when calculating FP * FW values.
But, in reality, I'd actually place more weight on fill power. Maybe squaring the FP and then multiplying it with FW would be a more accurate calculation to yield better results.
How do down jackets compare to synthetic jackets?
Here's the full data set for Arc'teryx's and Patagonia's almost all insulated garments.
Find below the lowest temperatures you can wear each jacket without feeling uncomfortably cold.
These are only approximate values assuming:
- you only have a shirt under and no shell over,
- during daily use (strolls, power walks etc at most - no high output activities),
- with enough wind to cause an umbrella to twist in your hand,
- and when it's dry out.
Name | Est. Temp (F/C) | Review |
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Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's) | -18/-28 | Review |
Feathered Friends Khumbu | -17/-27 | |
Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's) | -15/-26 | Review |
Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's) | -13/-25 | |
Rab Positron Pro (Men's) | -13/-25 | |
Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's) | -11/-24 | Review |
Patagonia Grade VII (Men's) | -11/-24 | |
Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's) | -10/-23 | Review |
Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's) | -10/-23 | |
Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's) | -7/-22 | Review |
Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's) | -6/-21 | Review |
Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's) | -5/-20 | |
Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's) | -2/-19 | |
Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's) | -2/-19 | |
Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review |
Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's) | 0/-18 | Review |
Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review |
Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's) | 0/-18 | Review |
Arc'teryx Revet (Men's) | 2/-17 | |
Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's) | 3/-16 | |
Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Review |
Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's) | 3/-16 | |
Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | |
Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's) | 3/-16 | |
Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's) | 3/-16 | Review |
Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's) | 3/-16 | |
Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's) | 5/-15 | |
Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review |
Arc'teryx Macai (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review |
Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's) | 5/-15 | Review |
Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's) | 5/-15 | |
Arc'teryx Patera (Women's) | 5/-15 | Review |
Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | |
Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's) | 7/-14 | Review |
Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's) | 7/-14 | |
Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's) | 7/-14 | |
Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | |
Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's) | 7/-14 | Review |
Feathered Friends Eos | 8/-13 | |
Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Review |
Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | Review |
Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's) | 8/-13 | |
Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's) | 8/-13 | |
Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's) | 8/-13 | |
Arc'teryx Koda (Men's) | 8/-13 | |
Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's) | 10/-12 | Review |
Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | |
Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's) | 12/-11 | Review |
Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's) | 14/-10 | |
Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's) | 14/-10 | Review |
REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 14/-10 | |
Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's) | 16/-9 | Review |
Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | Review |
Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's) | 18/-8 | |
Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's) | 19/-7 | |
Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | |
Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | |
Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's) | 21/-6 | Review |
Patagonia Topley (Men's) | 23/-5 | |
Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's) | 23/-5 | |
Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's) | 23/-5 | |
Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's) | 23/-5 | Review |
Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's) | 25/-4 | |
Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's) | 26/-3 | Review |
Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's) | 26/-3 | Review |
Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's) | 26/-3 | |
Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | |
Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's) | 28/-2 | Review |
Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's) | 32/0 | Review |
Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's) | 34/1 | |
Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's) | 36/2 | Review |
Patagonia Isthmus (Men's) | 36/2 | |
Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Review |
Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's) | 37/3 | Review |
Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's) | 39/4 | |
Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's) | 41/5 | Review |
Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's) | 43/6 | Review |
Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's) | 43/6 | Review |
Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's) | 46/8 | Review |
Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's) | 48/9 | Review |
Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's) | 52/11 | Review |
REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's) | Testing | |
Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's) | Testing | |
Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's) | Testing |
Arc'teryx Jacket Finder: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/jacket-finder
Read more about this chart here in my Insulated Outerwear Temperature Ratings Guide.
If you think you run warmer or colder than the average person, then shift temperature ranges accordingly.
Also check out my Arc'teryx Favorites and my Patagonia Favorites. Also see my Arc'teryx vs Patagonia post to read more about both brands.
If you're interested in down jackets only, see my Best Down Jackets post.
Lastly, if you're interested in Patagonia only, check out my Best Patagonia Down Jackets post.
Hi there! I’m a big fan of your website, and every time I’m about to buy some gear, I first check its review on your web. Now, I began to plan a trip to Everest Base Camp, and I’m a bit concerned about the down layer. I’m between the Patagonia DAS Parka and the Arcteryx Thorium Ar.
I have already read both of your reviews about these jackets, but I can’t make a final decision between these two. I know the pros and cons of synthetic vs. goose insulation, but my biggest concern is about the warmth and weather protection. Probably, I’ll be using these jackets on the move while I hike, and on the cold mountain nights to warm me up. And I imagine, that there are gonna be some scenarios in which I will use the down jacket under a hardshell.
Since I’ll be facing extreme conditions therein Nepal, which one would you recommend? Thank you very much in advance!! I hope you can read this, and greetings from Argentina!
Tomas
Arcteryx‘s agrium should be 850 fill power
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