Although Beta AR and SV have their differences in face fabrics, their differences in the hoods (StormHood of Beta SV vs DropHood of Beta AR) will play a much larger role in your satisfaction with these jackets.
In short, base your decision on the type of the hood you like before anything else. If the hood will mostly be up, then the StormHood of Beta SV is very likely to be more pleasing than the DropHood of Beta AR. If it'll be down most of the time, then a Beta AR will probably be more comfortable and convenient.
- Beta AR vs SV comparison chart: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/compare/X000007339-daze/X000004766-bordeaux
In the end, this mostly boils down to the intended use.
Since the hood is mostly down during high output activities when it's not that inclement, Beta AR is more likely to be the better option for it. This is why it's treasured by climbers and mountain bikers.
Beta AR is the only hardshell in Arc'teryx line-up offered with the DropHood, by the way. All the others are offered in StormHood. You can read more about StormHood vs DropHood in https://outdoorcrunch.com/stormhood-vs-drophood/.
Hoods aside, though, Beta SV is without a doubt the slightly better product when it comes to Beta AR vs SV, unless packability is an issue (which shouldn't be so anyway because otherwise you shouldn't have been looking at these jackets in the first place).
Lastly, SV is also baggier: Gives you the option to under layer using thicker and/or more garments than the AR (AR is also baggy - but just not as much).
All in all, both Beta AR and Beta SV are fantastic jackets and they're not going to disappoint.
Use this chart to compare Arc'teryx shells to one another.
|Name||Bottom line||Activity||Review||Breathability||Weather Res.||Durability||Packability||Temp (F/C)||Pit zips?||Two way zipper?||Stuffs into itself?||Hood?||Face Fabric||Fit||Weight||Length||Measurements|
|Alpha FL (Men's - Women's)||Climbing||4/10||5/10||6/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||Hadron 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||209 g / 7.4 oz||76.5 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpha SL (Men's - Women's)||Climbing||3/10||4/10||6/10||9/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||N40p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||326 g / 11.5 oz||77.5 cm / 30.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpha AR (Men's - Women's)||Go-to climbing harshell.||Climbing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40d & N80d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||430 g / 15.2 oz||79.5 cm / 31.25 in||[Men's]|
|Alpha SV (Men's - Women's)||Strongest climbing hardshell.||Climbing||Review||8/10||10/10||10/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N100d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||510 g / 1 lb 2 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's]|
|Alpha IS (Men's)||Climbing||7/10||5/10||5/10||8/10||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||StormHood||N40p-X 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in|
|Beta (Men's - Women's)||All Round||5/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N30p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||300 g / 10.6 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta Long (Men's)||All Round||Review||5/10||8/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||441 g / 15.6 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Beta Coat (Women's)||All Round||7/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||Yes||No||StormHood||3L Gore-Tex||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz||?||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta LT Hadron (Men's - Women's)||All Round||5/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Hadron 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||255g / 9 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta LT (Men's - Women's)||Beta AR alternative.||All Round||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40d 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||395 g / 13.9 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||Best insulated shell.||All Round||10/10||4/10||4/10||2/10||21/-6||Yes||Yes||No||StormHood||N40d 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||78.5 cm / 31 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||Beta Insulated alternative.||All Round||7/10||4/10||4/10||2/10||16/-9||No||Yes||No||StormHood||N40d 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?||[Men's / Women's]|
|Beta AR (Men's - Women's)||Go-to all-round harshell.||All Round||Review||8/10||8/10||8/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40r-X & N80p-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||460 g / 1 lb||76 cm / 30 in|
|Beta SV (Men's - Women's)||Strongest all-round harshell.||All Round||Review||8/10||10/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||495 g / 1 lb 1.5 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Alpine Guide (Men's - Women's)||All Round||8/10||10/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80d-X Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||480g / 1 lb 0.9 oz||?||[Men's]|
|Gamma SL (Men's - Women's)||A trimmer Gamma LT.||All Round||Review||7/10||2/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Fortius 1.0||Trim||310 g / 10.9 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Gamma LT (Men's)||A fleeceless, trimmer Gamma MX.||All Round||Review||7/10||3/10||7/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Wee Burly||Regular||545 g / 1 lb 3.2 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Gamma MX (Men's - Women's)||A softshell with a fleece.||All Round||Review||6/10||4/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||Fortius 2.0||Regular||555 g / 1 lb 3.6 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Rush (Men's - Women's)||Go-to ski jacket.||Skiing||Review||8/10||9/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X & N100p-X 3L Most Rugged Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||590 g / 1 lb 4.8 oz||79.5 cm / 31.25 in||[Men's]|
|Sabre (Men's)||Alternative to Rush.||Skiing||8/10||8/10||8/10||2/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 8.9 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Sentinel (Women's)||Skiing||8/10||8/10||8/10||2/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||370 g / 13.1 oz||?|
|Macai (Men's)||Go-to insulated ski jacket.||Skiing||Review||10/10||8/10||9/10||1/10||5/-15||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 3.3 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Macai LT (Men's)||A lighter Macai with StormHood.||Skiing||8/10||7/10||8/10||1/10||8/-13||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz||?||[Men's]|
|Andessa (Women's)||Go-to insulated ski jacket.||Skiing||10/10||Testing||Testing||1/10||8/-13||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N40d 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||869 g / 1 lb 14.7 oz||?|
|Andessa Shell (Women's)||Non-insulated Andessa.||Skiing||5/10||Testing||Testing||3/10||N/A||No||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||560 g / 1 lb 3.8 oz||?|
|Theriss Down (Women's)||Skiing||8/10||6/10||7/10||2/10||Testing||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||709 g / 1 lb 9 oz||?|
|Rush IS (Women's)||An insulated Rush.||Skiing||5/10||Testing||Testing||9/10||16/-9||No||No||Yes||StormHood||Gore-Tex Infinium||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||?|
|Sentinel IS (Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||21/-6||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?||[Women's]|
|Ski Guide (Men's - Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N80d Most Rugged 3L Gore-Tex Pro||Regular||570 g / 1 lb 4.1 oz||?|
|Micon Heather||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||NP100-d 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||685 g / 1 lb 8.2 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in||[Men's]|
|Micon (Men's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||685 g / 1 lb 8.2 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in||[Men's]|
|Cassiar (Men's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||820 g / 1 lb 12.9 oz||74.5 cm / 29.3 in||[Women's]|
|Cassiar LT (Men's)||Skiing||Review||6/10||6/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||605 g / 1 lb 5.3 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in||[Women's]|
|Ravenna (Women's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70s-4 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||725 g / 1 lb 9.6 oz||69.5 cm / 27.4 in||[Men's]|
|Ravenna LT (Women's)||Skiing||Review||6/10||6/10||6/10||5/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||DropHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||69 cm / 27.2 in||[Men's]|
|Procline (Men's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Women's]|
|Shashka Stretch (Women's)||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||670 g / 1 lb 7.6 oz||71 cm / 28 in||[Women's]|
|Sabre AR (Men's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||7/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||700 g / 1 lb 8.7 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Men's]|
|Sentinel AR (Women's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||7/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N70p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||590 g / 1 lb 4.8 oz||72.5 cm / 28.5 in||[Women's]|
|Sabre LT (Men's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||8/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||660 g / 1 lb 7.3 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Sentinel LT (Women's)||Skiing||Review||7/10||8/10||7/10||8/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 3L Gore-Tex||Regular||565 g / 1 lb 3.9 oz||73.5 cm / 29 in|
|Incendia (Women's)||Skiing||Review||8/10||9/10||9/10||3/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||NP100d 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||79 cm / 31 in||[Women's]|
|Indencia IS||Skiing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||Yes||No||No||StormHood||N80p 2L Gore-Tex||Regular||?||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Norvan LT (Men's - Women's)||Go-to running jacket.||Running||5/10||5/10||8/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||N13p 3L Gore-Tex||Fitted||190 g / 6.7 oz||?||[Women's]|
|Squamish (Men's - Women's)||Trimmer, lighter, packable running jacket.||Running||Review||5/10||4/10||7/10||9/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||StormHood||30D Tyono||Trim||140 g / 4.9 oz||77.5 cm / 30.5 in||[Women's]|
|Norvan SL Ins. (Women's)||Running||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||39/4||No||No||Yes||Standard||Gore-Tex ShakeDry||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in||[Women's]|
|Cita (Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Lumin||Trim||120 g / 4.2 oz||67.5 cm / 26.5 in||[Men's]|
|Cita SL (Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||4/10||10/10||N/A||Yes||No||Yes||Standard||Permeair 20||Trim||65 g / 2.3 oz||61.5 cm / 24.2 in||[Men's]|
|Incendo (Men's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Lumin||Trim||125 g / 4.4 oz||?|
|Incendo SL (Men's)||Running||Review||7/10||4/10||4/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Permair 20 & Canim||Trim||80 g / 2.8 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Norvan SL (Men's - Women's)||Running||Review||7/10||6/10||8/10||8/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||120 g / 4.2 oz||77 cm / 30.4 in||[Women's]|
|Trino SL (Men's)||Running||Review||8/10||5/10||7/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||340 g / 12 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Trino SL Anorak (Women's)||Running||Review||8/10||7/10||8/10||7/10||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Trim||290 g / 10.2 oz||65 cm / 25.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Nodin (Men's - Women's)||Running||8/10||5/10||5/10||10/10||N/A||No||No||Yes||Standard||20D Tyono||Trim||155 g / 5.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Solano (Men's - Women's)||Around Town||Review||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex Infinium||Relaxed||355 g / 12.5 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Venda Anorak (Women's)||Around Town||Testing||Testing||Testing||Testing||N/A||No||No||No||Standard||Gore-Tex||Relaxed||255 g / 9 oz||75.5 cm / 29.7 in|
|Zeta FL (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||4/10||6/10||4/10||6/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N20r 2L Gore-Tex||Trim||221 g / 7.8 oz||76 cm / 30 in||[Men's / Women's]|
|Zeta SL (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||Review||3/10||5/10||4/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||2L Gore-Tex||Trim||310 g / 10.9 oz||77.8 cm / 30.6 in||[Men's]|
|Zeta LT (Men's - Women's)||Hiking||5/10||7/10||8/10||5/10||N/A||No||No||No||StormHood||N40P-X 3L Gore-Tex||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in||[Men's]|
|Zeta AR (Men's)||Hiking||7/10||8/10||7/10||4/10||N/A||Yes||No||No||StormHood||3L Gore-Tex||Regular||425 g / 15 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
More about this chart: https://outdoorcrunch.com/best-arcteryx-shells/
If you're confused now and don't know which jacket best corresponds to your own needs, then follow the advice given below:
|Name||Est. Temp (F/C)||Review||Pit venting?||Stuffs into itself?||Two way zipper?||Type||Fill Power||Fill Weight (grams)||Fill Volume (FP x FW)||Synthetic Insulator (SI)||SI Amount||Face Fabric||Activity||Fit||Weight||Length (CB)|
|Arc'teryx Alpha (Men's - Women's)||-18/-28||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||296||251,600||Coreloft||90 g/m²||N30r 2L GoreTex Infinium||Climbing||Regular||805 g / 1 lb 12.4 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Feathered Friends Khumbu||-17/-27||No||Yes||No||Down||900||378||340,200||Primaloft Gold||200 g||Pretex Shield XT||All Round||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Ceres SV (Men's - Women's)||-15/-26||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||240||204,000||Coreloft||?||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Mountain Equipment K7 (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||300||240,000||N/A||N/A||30D Drilite||All Round||Regular||820 g / 1 lb 13 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Rab Positron Pro (Men's)||-13/-25||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||300||240,000||N/A||N/A||40D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||740 g / 1 lb 10 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme SV (Men's)||-11/-24||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||211||158,250||Coreloft||60 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.072 kg / 2 lb 5.8 oz||96 cm / 37.75 in|
|Patagonia Grade VII (Men's)||-11/-24||No||No||Yes||Down||800||335||268,000||N/A||N/A||1.2 oz 15 & 20D Perfex Quantum||Around Town||Regular||743 g / 1 lb 10.1 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Firebee AR (Men's - Women's)||-10/-23||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||225||180,000||N/A||N/A||Arato 7 & 10||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Mountain Equipment Exo (Men's)||-10/-23||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||265||212,000||N/A||N/A||Nylon||All Round||Regular||770 g / 1 lb 11.2 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Thorsen (Men's)||-7/-22||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||192||144,000||Coreloft||60 g/m²||90D 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 5.4 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Patagonia Frozen Range (Men's - Women's)||-6/-21||Review||No||No||No||Parka||700||268||187,600||N/A||N/A||4 oz 75-denier polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.253 kg / 2 lb 12.2 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Mountain Equipment Li. Ec. (Men's - Women's)||-5/-20||No||No||Yes||Down||700||295||206,500||N/A||N/A||50D Drilite||All Round||Regular||822 g / 1 lb 13 oz||72 cm / 28 in|
|Arc'teryx Patera Long (Women's)||-2/-19||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||74||55,500||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.1 kg / 2 lb 6.8 oz||117.5 cm / 46.25 in|
|Rab Neutrino Pro (Men's - Women's)||-2/-19||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||212||169,600||N/A||N/A||20D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 8.6 oz||77 cm / 30.3 in|
|Arc'teryx Dually Belay (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermaTek||92 g/m²||30D Nylon||Around Town||Regular||705 g / 1 lb 9 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Arc'teryx Centrale (Women's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||157||117,750||Coreloft||60 g/m²||N90p Nylon||Around Town||Regular||885 g / 1 lb 15.2 oz||95 cm / 37.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Camosun (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||No||No||Parka||750||105||78,750||Coreloft||140 g/m²||N150p-X Gore-Tex||Around Town||Trim||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SV (Men's)||0/-18||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||162||137,700||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 7 & 10||All Round||Regular||415 g / 14.6 oz||69.5 cm / 27.4 in|
|Arc'teryx Revet (Men's)||2/-17||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||?||N/A||N/A||20d nylon/spandex double weave||Around Town||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Arc'teryx Piedmont (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||750||218||163,500||N/A||N/A||Arato 10||Around Town||Regular||515 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||82 cm / 32.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Fission SV (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||90 + 65 g/m²||N80p-X Gore-Tex 2L||All Round||Regular||890 g / 1 lb 15.4 oz||81 cm / 31.8 in|
|Arc'teryx Alpha Lightweight (Men's)||3/-16||No||Yes||Yes||Down||850||117||99,450||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Hadron 2L Gore-Tex Infinium||Climbing||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||?|
|Outdoor Research Sup. Alp. (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||No||No||Yes||Down||800||182||145,600||N/A||N/A||30D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||825 g / 1 lb 13.1 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Alessa Long (Women's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 120 g/m²||N90p 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||1.015 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz||123 cm / 48.5 in|
|Patagonia Tres 3-in-1 (Men's - Women's)||3/-16||Review||No||No||No||Parka||700||118||82,600||N/A||N/A||5.5 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.307 kg / 2 lb 14.1 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Parka (Men's)||3/-16||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||745 g / 1 lb 10.3 oz||82 cm / 32.25 in|
|Rab Electron Pro (Men's - Women's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Down||800||180||144,000||N/A||N/A||20D Pertex Quantum Pro||All Round||Regular||525 g / 1 lb 2.5 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme Parka (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||120||90,000||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||P75d Polyester||Around Town||Regular||991 g / 2 lb 3 oz||85 cm / 33.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Macai (Men's)||5/-15||Review||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||750||69||51,750||Coreloft Compact||60 + 100 g/m²||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||1 kg / 2 lb 4 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei SV (Men's)||5/-15||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||180 g/m2 + 90 g/m2||Arato 15||Climbing||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||81 cm / 31.8 in|
|Patagonia DAS Parka (Men's)||5/-15||No||Yes||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco||133 + 40 g||Pertex Quantum Pro||Around Town||Regular||555 g / 1lb 3.6 oz||84 cm / 33 in|
|Arc'teryx Patera (Women's)||5/-15||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||58||43,500||Coreloft||60 + 80 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Trim||867 g / 1 lb 14.6 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
|Black Diamond Access Down (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||Yes||Down||700||155||108,500||N/A||N/A||30D ripstop nylon||All Round||Regular||442 g / 15.6 oz||76 cm / 29.75 in|
|Arc'teryx Kappa (Men's)||7/-14||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||140 g/m²||N70p Gore Thermium||All Round||Regular||755 g / 1 lb 10.6 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Prema Down Coat (Women's)||7/-14||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||92||69,000||N/A||N/A||Nylon||Around Town||Regular||794 g / 1 lb 12 oz||117 cm / 46.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Radsten Insulated (Men's)||7/-14||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||715 g / 1 lb 9.2 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in|
|Rab Microlight Alpine (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||No||Yes||No||Down||700||153||107,100||N/A||N/A||30D Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||466 g / 1 lb 0.5 oz||72 cm / 28.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Thorium (Men's - Women's)||7/-14||Review||No||Yes||Yes||Down||750||140||105,000||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||517 g / 1 lb 2.2 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Feathered Friends Eos||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||900||105||94,500||N/A||N/A||Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||306 g / 10.8 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Thorium AR (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||750||130||97,500||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||Arato 30||All Round||Regular||490 g / 1 lb 1.3 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Patagonia Macro Puff (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||135 + 90 g||10D Recycled nylon ripstop||All Round||Regular||435 g / 15.3 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Macai LT (Men's)||8/-13||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||750||49||36,750||Coreloft Compact||60 g/m²||N40p-X 3L Gore-Tex||Ski/Snowboard||Regular||855 g / 1 lb 14.2 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Seyla (Women's)||8/-13||No||No||Yes||Parka||750||92||69,000||N/A||N/A||Arato 10||Around Town||Regular||507 g / 1 lb. 1.9 oz.||87 cm / 34.4 in|
|Patagonia Fitz Roy (Men's - Women's)||8/-13||No||Yes||No||Down||800||128||102,400||N/A||N/A||20D Nylon||All Round||Regular||632 g / 1lb 6.3 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Koda (Men's)||8/-13||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||N80p-X Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||720 g / 1 lb 9.4 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia Vosque 3-in-1 (Women's)||10/-12||Review||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermoLite||100 g||65% nylon, 35% polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.360 kg / 3 lb||90 cm / 35.5 in|
|Patagonia City Storm Down (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||No||Yes||No||Parka||700||191||133,700||N/A||N/A||4.2 oz polyester||All Round||Regular||468 g / 16.5 oz||91 cm / 36 in|
|Patagonia Jackson Glacier (Men's - Women's)||12/-11||Review||No||No||Yes||Parka||700||141||98,700||N/A||N/A||3.6 oz 50D polyester||Around Town||Regular||880 g / 1 lb 15 oz||79 cm / 31 in|
|Arc'teryx Sensa (Women's)||14/-10||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||120 g/m²||NP100d Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Relaxed||785 g / 1 lb 11.7 oz||86 cm / 34 in|
|Patagonia Hi Loft Down (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||600||177||106,200||N/A||N/A||1.4 oz 30D polyester||All Round||Regular||540 g / 1 lb 3 oz||76 cm / 30 in|
|REI Magma 850 Hoodie 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||14/-10||No||Yes||No||Down||850||120||102,000||N/A||N/A||Pertex mini ripstop nylon||All Round||Regular||340 g / 13.75 oz||74 cm / 29.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated Coat (Women's)||16/-9||Review||No||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g/m² + 120 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||600 g / 1 lb 5.2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Atom AR (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||120 g/m2 + 80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2||30D Tyono||All Round||Regular||475 g / 1 lb||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Patagonia Downdrift (Men's - Women's)||18/-8||No||No||No||Down||600||279||167,400||N/A||N/A||4.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||1.014 kg / 2 lb 3.8 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Magnus (Men's)||19/-7||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g||N60p Gore-Tex 2L||Around Town||Regular||690 g / 1 lb 8.3 oz||83 cm / 32.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Agrium (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||850||117||99,450||N/A||N/A||Arato||All Round||Regular||365 g / 12.9 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia AlpLight Down (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||No||Yes||No||Down||800||100||80,000||N/A||N/A||0.8 oz 10D polyester||All Round||Slim||270 g / 9.5 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Beta Insulated (Men's - Women's)||21/-6||Review||Yes, zips||No||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||80 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||All Round||Regular||680 g / 1 lb 8 oz||78.5 cm / 31 in|
|Patagonia Topley (Men's)||23/-5||No||No||Yes||Down||700||172||120,400||N/A||N/A||6 oz polyester||All Round||Regular||1.133 kg / 2 lb 8 oz||77 cm / 30.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Alpha IS (Men's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||65 g/m²||N40p-X 2L Gore-Tex||Climbing||Regular||610 g / 1 lb 5.5 oz||78 cm / 30.75 in|
|Rab Xenon 2.0 (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Silver||60 g||30D Pertex Quantum||All Round||Regular||385 g / 13.6 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Patagonia Down Sweater (Men's - Women's)||23/-5||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||800||150||120,000||N/A||N/A||1.4 oz 20x30D polyester||All Round||Regular||428 g / 15.1 oz||67 cm / 26.25 in|
|Arc'teryx Ralle Parka (Men's)||25/-4||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 g/m²||2L 40D Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||735 g / 1 lb 9.9 oz||?|
|Patagonia Silent Down (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Down||700||109||76,300||N/A||N/A||2.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||585 g / 1 lb 4.7 oz||74 cm / 29 in|
|Arc'teryx Therme Insulated (Men's)||26/-3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||960 g / 2 lb 1.9 oz||73 cm / 28.75 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium (Men's - Women's)||26/-3||No||Yes||No||Down||850||113||96,050||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||Arato 15||All Round||Trim||335 g / 11.8 oz||?|
|Mountain Hardwear GW/2 (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||No||Yes||No||Down||800||85||68,000||N/A||N/A||10D Ripstop Nylon||All Round||Trim||250 g / 8.8 oz||70 cm / 27.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium LT (Men's - Women's)||28/-2||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||102||86,700||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||Arato 10||All Round||Trim||305 g / 10.8 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|Arc'teryx Nuclei FL (Men's - Women's)||32/0||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||65 g/m²||Arato 10r||Climbing||Trim||325 g / 11.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia DAS Light (Men's - Women's)||34/1||No||Yes||Yes||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||65 g||0.8-oz 10-denier Pertex Quantum Pro||Climbing||Regular||320 g / 11.3 oz||77 cm / 30.5 in|
|Patagonia Micro Puff (Men's - Women's)||36/2||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PlumaFill||65 g||Pertex Quantum||All Round||Trim||298 g / 10.5 oz||75 cm / 29.5 in|
|Patagonia Isthmus (Men's)||36/2||No||No||No||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||ThermoGreen||60 g||4.2 oz polyester||Around Town||Regular||895 g / 1 lb 15.6 oz||70 cm / 27.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Proton LT (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||80 g/m2 + 60 g/m2||Fortius Air 20||Climbing||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz||75 cm / 29.4 in|
|Patagonia Nano Puff (Men's - Women's)||37/3||Review||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||PrimaLoft Gold Insulation Eco||60 g||22D Polyester||All Round||Regular||363 g / 12.8 oz||71.5 cm / 28 in|
|Arc'teryx Norvan SL Ins. (Men's - Women's)||39/4||No||Yes||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Gore-Tex ShakeDry||Running||Trim||270 g / 9.5 oz||71.5 cm / 28.1 in|
|Patagonia Nano Air (Men's - Women's)||41/5||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||FullRange||60 g||33D Nylon ripstop||All Round||Trim||318 g / 11.2 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Atom LT (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Continuous||60 g/m²||20D Tyono||All Round||Trim||375 g / 13.2 oz||74 cm / 29.1 in|
|Arc'teryx Cerium SL (Men's - Women's)||43/6||Review||No||Yes||No||Down||850||58||49,300||Coreloft||40 + 100 g/m²||Arato 7||All Round||Trim||215 g / 7.6 oz||69 cm / 27.2 in|
|Arc'teryx Proton Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||46/8||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||Fortius™ Air 50||All Round||Trim||365 g / 12.9 oz||?|
|Arc'teryx Proton FL (Men's)||48/9||Review||No||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Octa Loft||94 g/m²||Fortius Air 20||Climbing||Trim||323 g / 11.4 oz||77 cm / 30.4 in|
|Arc'teryx Atom SL (Men's - Women's)||52/11||Review||Yes, mesh||No||No||Synthetic||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft Compact||40 g/m²||20D Tyono||All Round||Trim||245 g / 8.6 oz||72 cm / 28.3 in|
|REI Stormhenge Hybrid (Men's - Women's)||Testing||Yes, zips||No||No||Down||850||?||N/A||N/A||40D + 80D||All Round||Regular||900 g / 1 lb 15.75 oz||80 cm / 31.5 in|
|Arc'teryx Monitor Insulated (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 100 g/m²||40D 3L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Oversized||645 g / 1 lb 6.8 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
|Arc'teryx Coelle (Women's)||Testing||No||No||Yes||Parka||N/A||N/A||N/A||Coreloft||80 + 140 g/m²||40D 2L Gore-Tex||Around Town||Regular||460 g / 1 lb 0.2 oz||93 cm / 37 in|
N80p-X (Beta SV) vs N40r-X & N80p-X (Beta AR)
The numbers 40 and 80 represent the thread mass - usually referred to as denier and indicated as 40D and 80D. The heavier the thread, the stronger it is.
80D is one of the strongest and most expensive most robust fabrics used in Arc'teryx's high quality technical jackets.
Equipping a jacket solely with a 80D fabric will result in robust structure and very weather resistant & durable nature - but also a heavier weight and less pleasant & somehow "stiff" touch compared to lighter fabrics such as 40D.
That's exactly the case for Beta SV which uses 80D fabric.
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So why are there two different fabrics (N40r-X & N80p-X) for Beta AR?
Because, like I said before, AR is meant to be the most versatile and well-balanced jacket of all 4 different Beta jackets.
In order to achieve that, the high wear areas are reinforced using N80p-X: Shoulders, back, forearms and top of the hood. Whereas for all the remaining low wear areas, N40r-X is used.
By combining two different thread mass where necessary throughout the entire jacket, AR successfully manages to catch a very well balance between weight, packability and price advantages on one side (so called fragile but fast side) and durability and weather-resistance advantages on the other side (so called sturdy but bulky side).
Beta LT, for example, uses 40D throughout the entire jacket. Beta SV uses 80D. These are the jackets with more extreme intended uses compared to the AR.
By combining these two, Beta AR avoids both extremes and offers to be a suitable option for all-rounders like most of us.
Speaking of which, you can check out my Beta LT vs AR comparison here.
What I covered so far makes up almost all the differences between Beta AR and SV, but let's continue.
- Beta AR vs SV comparison chart: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/compare/X000007339-daze/X000004766-bordeaux
What about r and p?
First of all, both jackets offer the highest quality Gore-Tex: 3L Pro. This makes the weave (r and p) less important.
I didn't mention warmth anywhere, because these jackets probably won't be enough on their own out in fairly cold weather. I'd recommend you to under layer them with a mid layer such as one of these.
- R stands for ripstop, a grid texture where the borders of each square are elevated.
- P stands for plain, where there are no elevated fabrics whatsoever.
So how do they work out in practice?
- Typically, ripstop is expected to cross the pathways of potential tears in the fabric and prevent them from propagating. But in our case Gore-Tex 3L Pro of both jackets is already high quality, so this doesn't cause a noticeable difference to say the least.
- Similarly, plain weave is expected to bead the water more effectively since there aren't any elevated fabrics that block the droplets from sliding. However, in our case, both jackets are DWR coated, so the elevated fabrics doesn't cause a negative impact in water-proofing.
DWR is a coating.
It's basically sprayed on to the surface of these jackets as a finish. It stands for Durable Water Repellent - which means that water will be repelled under wet conditions instead of soaking into the fabric.
DWR also decreases dry time.
It's a good thing these jackets are coated in DWR, but pay attention to the fact that DWR is a coating - meaning that it will wear off over time.
Which is why you might want to invest in a DWR spray such as this one for after treatment.
As you see, there's a strong correlation between FP x FW and temperature ratings, but not more than, say, 80%. I explained why this happens here in this post of mine.
The differences caused by the weave (ripstop vs plain) are really minimal (if not non-existent) especially considering more important stuff like the Gore-Tex type and thread mass (denier).
This practically feels the same in both jackets.
Equipped with very robust fabric and strong Gore-Tex, neither of these jackets lean on the breathability side of the equation unlike what some synthetic insulated mid layers such as Arc'teryx Proton LT or Patagonia Nano Air tend to do.
That's why most of what you get for breathability comes from mechanical venting, instead of genuinely breathable membranes.
This trade-off is actually the case for all the shell jackets, not just Beta SV and AR. A shell is meant to be abrasion and weather resistant first, other things second.
Both jackets come with pit zips (which is a mechanical venting method) so they're the same in breathability - and considering all the other shells out in the market, they're pretty breathable.
Alpha AR, Alpha SV, Beta AR and Beta SV are the only Arc'teryx hardshells that are offered with pit zips.
Beta SV is an inch longer than the AR (31 vs 30 inches, or 79 vs 76 cm).
This can be important if you won't be wearing insulated pants - since the SV is lengthy enough to cover your butt whereas AR reaches down to mid-butt level, but the difference isn't much.
Beta AR already offers more than enough room for under layering, but SV offers even more of it.
I'd doubt the ample room you get beneath the AR will come deficient for you when you're using it in non-extreme conditions.
This is another outcome of Arc'teryx's approach to these jackets. AR is intended to be for all-round users and SV is for extreme weather users.
Both are true to size.
I don't recommend sizing up or down, even if you're thinking of under layering it with thick insulated jackets like Atom AR, for example.
Now if this is you:
- "I want to stay active during the quite cold winters in my town: A lot of fat biking, outdoor climbing, hiking, skiing, snowboarding etc. I'm looking for a shell jacket I can easily use during all these."
I'd recommend you the Beta AR.
If, on the other hand, you either (1) want something even more durable than the Beta AR, (2) will be hiking in quite severe weather or (3) want something baggier to maximize your under layering options, then Beta SV can be an amazing choice for you.
- Beta AR vs SV comparison chart: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/compare/X000007339-daze/X000004766-bordeaux